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The True Color Ferdinand Marcos

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Reply #15 on: April 15, 2013, 01:52:52 PM
Halos perfect score sya nun bar exam 98.xx at nakakulong pa sya nyan. Binabaan lang ng supreme court para wala na lumabas na kung anoan issue dahil sa sobrang taas na nakuha nya.

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Reply #16 on: April 15, 2013, 09:17:11 PM
Halos perfect score sya nun bar exam 98.xx at nakakulong pa sya nyan. Binabaan lang ng supreme court para wala na lumabas na kung anoan issue dahil sa sobrang taas na nakuha nya.

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Reply #17 on: April 18, 2013, 07:23:30 AM
Sayang nung Nuclear Power Plant, ginawa lang museum langya. Paranoid kasi ang taong bayan tsk tsk tsk


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Reply #18 on: April 18, 2013, 09:58:53 AM
Di natin sila masisisi bro, Natrakot lang sila sa nangyari sa Chernobyl..

Basahin mo bro yung Chernobyl para makita mo ang trahedyang dulot ng Nuclear Power Plant. Saka may fault line pala ito sa ilalim kaya talagang delikado...

Sayang nung Nuclear Power Plant, ginawa lang museum langya. Paranoid kasi ang taong bayan tsk tsk tsk
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Reply #19 on: April 18, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
Di natin sila masisisi bro, Natrakot lang sila sa nangyari sa Chernobyl..

Basahin mo bro yung Chernobyl para makita mo ang trahedyang dulot ng Nuclear Power Plant. Saka may fault line pala ito sa ilalim kaya talagang delikado...
Yup alam ko Chernobyl disaster. Flawed kasi yung reactor design nila kaya yun nangyari.
"Reaktor Bolshoy Moschnosti Kanalniy (High Power Channel Reactor) (RBMK) A Soviet design, built to produce plutonium as well as power. RBMK reactors are still considered one of the most dangerous reactor designs in use."

Samantalang galing yung reactor natin sa Westinghouse na isang US Electric company(though controversial at overpriced siyang na acquire). PWR o Pressurized Water Reactor yung desing ng saatin. Ang design na ito ang bumubuo sa majority ng mga active reactors hanggang ngayon.

"The use of water as a moderator is an important safety feature of PWRs, as any increase in temperature causes the water to expand and become less dense; thereby reducing the extent to which neutrons are slowed down and hence reducing the reactivity in the reactor. Therefore, if reactivity increases beyond normal, the reduced moderation of neutrons will cause the chain reaction to slow down, producing less heat. This property, known as the negative temperature coefficient of reactivity, makes PWR reactors very stable"

Walang masyadong problema sa quake kasi may mga countermeasures dito. Ilang quakes na ang dumaan at sumabog pa ang Mt. Pinatubo noong 1991 at intact pa rin ang BNPP. Ang kinakatakot ko lang ay yung competence ng mga tao na mag me-maintain/operate nito. Pero kung mag hire tayo ng mga nuclear experts para mag operate ng facility then walang gaanong magiging problema.


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Reply #20 on: April 19, 2013, 01:20:57 PM
 Of course the nuclear scientists and engineers who rely on the nuclear industry for a living will tell us that science and technology will take care of everything. But they know that even up to now the decommissioning of nuclear plants with a normal lifespan of only 30 years will even cost more than its construction, as a decommissioned nuclear plant with its radioactive wastes will continue put risks to health and safety of the people, as well as threaten the environment. We will need at least 20-25 years to develop the necessary scientific and technological infrastructure and national capability to operate a commercial nuclear power plant to respond to nuclear accidents, plant upgrades, repairs and maintenance, nuclear waste disposal and other related problems.
 
      U.S. nuclear engineer Robert Pollard who did his own inspection of the BNPP in the early 80s after the Three Mile Island accident in the United States then concluded that the BNPP is not safe since it used an old design plagued with unresolved safety issues, making it a potential hazard to the safety and health of the public.

     This reaffirmed the Puno Commission's report in 1980 that warned of these flaws. The Puno Commission had made the following conclusions:

 
     1. The BNPP is not safe.

     2. It is an old design plagued with unresolved safety issues, thus it is a potential hazard    to the health and safety of the public.

     3. Its design needs fundamental changes and additional safeguards.

     4. Its safety is not assured because no safety devices were installed.

     5. The crucial problem of nuclear waste disposal had not been solved. These safety issues were never really addressed nor resolved by the contractor Westinghouse after both the Puno Commission and Dr. Pollard had pointed them out, as shown by later technical audits of the BNPP in the post Marcos era.
 

Dr. Kelvin Rodolfo, a noted geologist and Professor Emeritus from the University of Illinois has recently warned that, based on his scientific studies published in International Science Index journals, the BNPP "sits on Mt. Natib, which is a caldera volcano like Mt. Pinatubo", and that numerous faults of Mt. Natib were found to be extended to Morong, Bataan. Undoubtedly, the BNPP was a man-made financial disaster, so let us not make it into a national disaster.
 
      Humankind continues to pay an enormous health and environmental price for the development of nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons in many parts of the world. Diseases related to the "invisible poison" of radioactive contamination not only from previous nuclear plant accidents/leakages, and weapons testing but also from the so-called peaceful uses of nuclear energy in power plants haunt the victims who suffer from radiation-related diseases. Even countries who pride themselves on being at the forefront of nuclear technology have thousands of citizens who are experiencing diseases related to "low-level radiation."




Yup alam ko Chernobyl disaster. Flawed kasi yung reactor design nila kaya yun nangyari.
"Reaktor Bolshoy Moschnosti Kanalniy (High Power Channel Reactor) (RBMK) A Soviet design, built to produce plutonium as well as power. RBMK reactors are still considered one of the most dangerous reactor designs in use."

Samantalang galing yung reactor natin sa Westinghouse na isang US Electric company(though controversial at overpriced siyang na acquire). PWR o Pressurized Water Reactor yung desing ng saatin. Ang design na ito ang bumubuo sa majority ng mga active reactors hanggang ngayon.

"The use of water as a moderator is an important safety feature of PWRs, as any increase in temperature causes the water to expand and become less dense; thereby reducing the extent to which neutrons are slowed down and hence reducing the reactivity in the reactor. Therefore, if reactivity increases beyond normal, the reduced moderation of neutrons will cause the chain reaction to slow down, producing less heat. This property, known as the negative temperature coefficient of reactivity, makes PWR reactors very stable"

Walang masyadong problema sa quake kasi may mga countermeasures dito. Ilang quakes na ang dumaan at sumabog pa ang Mt. Pinatubo noong 1991 at intact pa rin ang BNPP. Ang kinakatakot ko lang ay yung competence ng mga tao na mag me-maintain/operate nito. Pero kung mag hire tayo ng mga nuclear experts para mag operate ng facility then walang gaanong magiging problema.
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Reply #21 on: April 19, 2013, 01:21:55 PM
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The Bataan Nuclear Power Plant (BNPP) located in Morong, Bataan was constructed during the martial law regime of then President Ferdinand E. Marcos. Westinghouse was contracted to build this light water reactor, designed to produce 621 megawatts of electricity as response to the growing energy requirements of the country. While the original loan was $600M for two units, it ballooned to $2.3 billion for one unit.

After Marcos left the country after the peaceful People Power Revolution, Westinghouse withdrew from the project in 1986. In 1988, the Aquino government commissioned a series of assessment studies focused on two concerns (Saguisag, Statement on the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant dated January 9, 1991) with the end view of determining whether the facility could be opened: “First, and foremost, serious questions had been raised by responsible parties on whether the BNPP was safe as designed and constructed. Second, there had been persistent rumours and speculation that he (Marcos) had been bribed in connection with the award of the BNPP contracts.” (Saguisag 1991)

In these contexts, a United Nations-funded study secured through the support of the Centre on Transnational Corporations, revealed that the Westinghouse-abandoned project since then carefully maintained in a state of preservation by the National Power Corporation (NAPOCOR) “did not meet applicable regulatory and contractual requirements.” (Saguisag 1991) Moreover, the government-commissioned report June 1988 “confirmed that serious design, construction, and quality assurance problems existed in the plant . . . and recommended that a further, more extensive examination be undertaken to investigate known problem areas and to examine others not yet reviewed.” (Saguisag 1991) James Keppler, a former senior official of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission responsible for inspection and licensing, described the overall results of a year-long study ending in September 1990 conducted by American and European nuclear experts on the BNPP compiled in twenty-eight (28) volumes as revealing

    “. . . the pervasive and significant deficiencies in the design, construction, quality assurance and startup testing of BNPP. The identified deficiencies are so pervasive and severe---that the plant cannot be expected to operate safely and without undue risk to public health and safety until those deficiencies and their generic implications are satisfactorily resolved.” (Saguisag 1991)

    The records brought by the fleeing President Marcos and impounded by US law enforcement in Hawaii show that “. . . he shared, directly or indirectly, in millions of dollars of ‘commissions’ paid by Westinghouse and Burns and Roe . . . and also benefited personally in other ways from the plant. There is no question that the BNPP contracts were tainted by corruption.” (Saguisag 1991) {Underlining ours}

    Based on these findings, the BNPP was mothballed by the Aquino government.

GREEN CONVERGENCE for Safe Food, Healthy Environment, and Sustainable Economy, a social movement of environmental non-governmental organizations and various networks/coalitions, appeals to Congress not to recommission the BNPP and for civil society to resist attempts for the same. We base our positions on the following reasons:

    * BNPP sits on the slope of Mt. Natib, a volcano, and is surrounded by 2 other volcanoes, Mt. Pinatubo and Mt. Mariveles. An eruption by any of these could result in mechanical or nuclear problems which could release radioactive material into the air, water and soil.
    * The plant has numerous serious technical defects
    * Thee cost of recommissioning which, at the time of the studies pointed to $1 billion. It should be much more now that global safety standards are higher.
    * Disposal of nuclear waste will be a problem. As yet, no nation has addressed this problem satisfactorily.
    * Radioactivity is associated with routine operations of nuclear power plants
    * Insurance companies are staying away from nuclear power plants. What chance does the defective BNPP have of being insured?
    * Nuclear power is not for the Philippines, being situated on the juncture of 4 tectonic plates and is thus extremely geologically active.
    * the Philippines has a lot of sources of renewable energy. Geothermal and wind power, separately and together are computed to be able to meet all of our energy requirements. Each has much lower capital and operational costs. Solar energy has just been tapped to contribute to our electricity grid and holds much potential.
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Reply #22 on: April 20, 2013, 07:35:56 PM
Yeah I know. What I meant ay Marcos took the initiative to harness nuclear energy. I'm not talking about the safety of BNPP but the safety of nuclear energy if a facility is built right and manned right. Ginawa ko lang example BNPP sa quake resistance niya kasi as far as I know unscathed siya. Also taking into consideration yung reactor design which is PWR compared to Chernobyl's RBMK.


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Reply #23 on: April 20, 2013, 08:12:29 PM
Para kasing sa pagkaintindi ko ay dapat ipinagpatuloy ni Aquino na ang Nuclear Power Plant kaya nagpost ako ng article saying the reasons why hindi ito pinayagang mag operate.

marami pa rin kasi ang mga di nakakaalam kung bakit di nag operate ang BNPP. Meron nga akong nabasa na galit lang daw si Cory kay marcos kaya di ito pinayagang mag operate..

kaya pinost ko ito para malaman ng mga di nakakaalam yung real reason behind BNPP.


Yeah I know. What I meant ay Marcos took the initiative to harness nuclear energy. I'm not talking about the safety of BNPP but the safety of nuclear energy if a facility is built right and manned right. Ginawa ko lang example BNPP sa quake resistance niya kasi as far as I know unscathed siya. Also taking into consideration yung reactor design which is PWR compared to Chernobyl's RBMK.
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Reply #24 on: April 20, 2013, 08:28:29 PM
di ito current events TS, good info though, a refresher... I still believe Marcos is the best president the philippines had..
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Reply #25 on: April 21, 2013, 08:19:16 AM
pls. read the previous comment..

this is a wikileaks documents. it was posted here for the purpose of informing the new generation of the real Marcos.

Nowadays, specially young generations are ignorant if not totally ignorant of the true condition of our country during Marcos reign.

History will repeat itself if we will not learned from the past"

As Martin Luther said:

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.


di ito current events TS, good info though, a refresher... I still believe Marcos is the best president the philippines had..
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Reply #26 on: April 24, 2013, 11:32:55 AM
marcos was a great men surrounded by greedy people.. yes he was in helm when all those killing and abuses happened.. but those surrounding him was the one that did the killings and abusing not him.. and admit it or not.. all of the projects those presidents are doing right now was part of the plan marcos build.. he had great plans for the country destroyed by a few that are now the ones running the government..
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Reply #27 on: April 25, 2013, 09:39:31 PM
Too ignorant comment...

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marcos was a great men surrounded by greedy people.. yes he was in helm when all those killing and abuses happened.. but those surrounding him was the one that did the killings and abusing not him.. and admit it or not.. all of the projects those presidents are doing right now was part of the plan marcos build.. he had great plans for the country destroyed by a few that are now the ones running the government..
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Reply #28 on: April 30, 2013, 03:19:46 PM
pls. read the previous comment..

this is a wikileaks documents. it was posted here for the purpose of informing the new generation of the real Marcos.

Nowadays, specially young generations are ignorant if not totally ignorant of the true condition of our country during Marcos reign.

History will repeat itself if we will not learned from the past"

As Martin Luther said:

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

have you seen all the leaked infos that wikileaks had released pertainining with marcos? did you know that most of those leaks came from the CIA?

the CIA during the second term of marcos were already wary of marcos plans on nationalizing strategic industries and because of that, US interests here in the Philippines are threatened.

American intelligence operatives planned for years to remove Marcos and ultimately succeeded by placing the widow of his nemesis. Have you ever wondered who really killed Ninoy? of course you're gonna point a finger again on the same and often-maligned president.

So if you're gonna say that you want younger generations to know more about what happened to his presidency, i don't think that wikileaks is the best source for "enlightenment" sir.



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Reply #29 on: April 30, 2013, 03:41:22 PM
Excerpts from Britannica Concise Encyclopedia... Ferdinand Edralin Marcos...

"The Philippine economy suffered a great decline after the Aquino assassination in August 1983. The political troubles hindered the entry of foreign investments, and foreign banks stopped granting loans to the Philippine government.[citation needed] In an attempt to launch a national economic recovery program, Marcos negotiated with foreign creditors including the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF), for a restructuring of the country's foreign debts – to give the Philippines more time to pay the loans. Marcos ordered a cut in government expenditures and used a portion of the savings to finance the Sariling Sikap (Self-Reliance), a livelihood program he established in 1984.[citation needed]

However, the economy experienced negative economic growth from the beginning of 1984 and continued to decline despite the government's recovery efforts. The recovery program's failure was caused by civil unrest, rampant graft and corruption within the government, and Marcos's lack of credibility. Marcos himself diverted large sums of government money to his party's campaign funds. The unemployment rate ballooned from 6.30% in 1972 to 27.65% in 1985.[48][citation needed]

Between 1972 and 1980, the average monthly income of wage workers had fallen by 20%. By 1981, the wealthiest 10% of the population was receiving twice as much income as the bottom 60%.[49]

With help from the Rockefeller and Ford Foundations, Marcos brought the "Green Revolution" (industrialized, chemical agriculture) to the Philippines. These reforms resulted in high profits for transnational corporations, but were generally harmful to small, peasant farmers who were often pushed into poverty.[50] After declaring martial law in 1972, Marcos promised to implement agrarian reforms. However, the land reforms "served largely to undermine Marcos' landholder opponents, not to lessen inequality in the countryside",[51] and "encouraged conversion to cash tenancy and greater reliance on farm workers".[52] From 1972 to 1980, agricultural production fell by 30%.[49]

Under Marcos, exports of timber products were among the nation's top exports. Little attention was paid to environmental impacts of deforestation. By the early 1980s, the industry collapsed because most of the Philippines' accessible forests had been depleted

Rockefeller and Ford Foundations help us so I don't know why they will help us if US government wanted to remove Marcos from office....


American intelligence operatives planned for years to remove Marcos and ultimately succeeded by placing the widow of his nemesis. Have you ever wondered who really killed Ninoy? of course you're gonna point a finger again on the same and often-maligned president.



have you seen all the leaked infos that wikileaks had released pertainining with marcos? did you know that most of those leaks came from the CIA?

The remaining article esp. about Bataan Nuclear Plant came from different article not Wikileaks or WIkipedia...

the CIA during the second term of marcos were already wary of marcos plans on nationalizing strategic industries and because of that, US interests here in the Philippines are threatened.

American intelligence operatives planned for years to remove Marcos and ultimately succeeded by placing the widow of his nemesis. Have you ever wondered who really killed Ninoy? of course you're gonna point a finger again on the same and often-maligned president.

So if you're gonna say that you want younger generations to know more about what happened to his presidency, i don't think that wikileaks is the best source for "enlightenment" sir.
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