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Yeah I know. What I meant ay Marcos took the initiative to harness nuclear energy. I'm not talking about the safety of BNPP but the safety of nuclear energy if a facility is built right and manned right. Ginawa ko lang example BNPP sa quake resistance niya kasi as far as I know unscathed siya. Also taking into consideration yung reactor design which is PWR compared to Chernobyl's RBMK.
Rockefeller and Ford Foundations help us so I don't know why they will help us if US government wanted to remove Marcos from office....Ford and Rockefeller foundations are not the US Government..The US Government had foreseen it has more to gain under a new administration.Have you ever read Cecilio Arillo's books like: A Country Imperiled and Greed and Betrayal? I'm pretty sure the younger generation you're addressing would be much enlightened. And by the way a lot of Western Propagandists and Writers would really set the tone of despising our former President the same way they belittle other Asian Leaders who are contemporaries of Marcos e.g. Suharto, Mahathir, and brand them authoritarian or totalitarian rulers.
have you seen all the leaked infos that wikileaks had released pertainining with marcos? did you know that most of those leaks came from the CIA? the CIA during the second term of marcos were already wary of marcos plans on nationalizing strategic industries and because of that, US interests here in the Philippines are threatened. American intelligence operatives planned for years to remove Marcos and ultimately succeeded by placing the widow of his nemesis. Have you ever wondered who really killed Ninoy? of course you're gonna point a finger again on the same and often-maligned president. So if you're gonna say that you want younger generations to know more about what happened to his presidency, i don't think that wikileaks is the best source for "enlightenment" sir.
This is for For Foundation allegedly funding CIA..CIA as you mentioned, planned to remove Marcos from Office, it seems the two are contradicting..In 1967, the foundation was implicated in a wide-ranging scandal concerning the funding of domestic and international organizations by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).[19][20] The CIA had been laundering its funds for dozens of organizations and events, and the foundation served as one of its main fronts.[21] John J. McCloy, the foundation's chairman from 1958–1965, knowingly employed numerous agents and, based on the premise that a relationship with the CIA was inevitable, set up a three-person committee responsible for dealing with its requestsRockfeller Family :Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller, (born July 8, 1908, Bar Harbor, Maine, U.S.—died Jan. 26, 1979, New York City), 41st vice president of the United States (1974–77) in the Republican administration of President Gerald Ford, four-term governor of New York (1959–73), and leader of the liberal wing of the Republican Party. He unsuccessfully sought the presidential nomination of his party three times.Rockefeller was the son of John D. Rockefeller, Jr., a businessman, and Abby Greene Aldrich. He was a grandson of one of America’s wealthiest people, John D. Rockefeller, Sr., founder of the Standard Oil Company.Rockfeller Family, have a strong impact to US. At the beginning of the crisis-torn 1970's, certain influential persons within the American establishment had clearly decided a drastic shift in direction of US global policy was in order.The most influential persons were David and Nelson Rockefeller, and the group of influential political and business figures around the Rockefeller family. The family's power center was the exclusive organization created in the aftermath of World War I, the New York Council on Foreign Relations.In the 1960's the Rockefellers were at the power center of the US establishment. The family and its various foundations dominated think-tanks, academia, government and private business in the 1960's in a manner no other single family in United States history had managed to then. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had been their hand-picked protégé, recruited from Harvard in the late 1950's to work for a new Rockefeller Foundation project.
Bravo kiddo. Anyway Marcos had always been the scapegoat for several succeeding administrations incompetence. Cult mentality 101. Always have a common enemy. The media bombards us with anti Marcos rethoric nakaka turete na. It's ridiculous. Yung mga pumalit ba eh malilinis? Hmmm? How many edsas does the Philippines need before it wakes up to the fact that the masses are being fooled and herded like sheep?Like I've said on a previous post, the people was never the king maker. It's always been the media.Sino ba nakaaway ni Marcos? Oh wait lopez? Parang I've heard of them.. media din ata business nila?And by the way, it's in the Aquinos best interest to malign and demonize Marcos. Otherwise they will lose their legitimacy. Kaya kahit maganda ang projects, they tend to scrap it. And the bs about Chernobyl? It doesn't happen very often. Most highly industrialized countries have been utilizing this. It's a sad fact, cheap electricity will be detrimental to those who stand to profit from it. Sino nga pala ang prominent na family na may stake sa meralco at the time? Oh..P.S.Marcos was no saint, he did have some shennanigans of his own, pero to claim that he did not do anything right, and paint those who believe in him as ignorant is being disingenous or at the worst a shill.
lets make things simple, rockfeller & ford foundations are helping us, so bakit nila aalisin si makoy? di ba pag umunlad tayo, si marcos ang magbebenefit ng lahat? kung nagbebenefit sila, di ba dapat di nga nila alisin si makoy which is contradicting dun sa sinabi mo na gustong alisin ng CIA si makoy?I can't see the logic na gusto mong alisin tapos tinutulungan mo..Come on Sir Dimmu Borgir, don't be so naive, Marcos became a hard headed America's boy on his way to his second term, even if he benefited from American Foundation, these American foundations are not the bedrock of American foreign policy and interests. Meaning may kanya-kanya din itong interests na solely sa 2 foundations lang ang makikinabang. The CIA acts on the greater American Policy Interests and of course not only from such foundations but of their own government. If you have critically analyzed documentary programs leading to the EDSA Elite's uprising the Opposition led by Ninoy's widow would be the best alternative in promoting US interests. Isn't it that corruption even worsened after the Marcoses were expelled at Malacanang? US Bases which served as dumping grounds for surplus US products and nuclear wastes are always the bargaining chip for the US.The US had seen the ailing Marcos no longer as an America's boy as he used to be. Cory would be next on their experiment and she did good. Look at where we are now. Her son followed her footsteps. Im not saying na walang ginawang maganda si marcos, im just making it clear to all ang mga ipinopost kong topic and trying to depend it as long as i know. "In our times, the Yellow propaganda seems to have attracted a lot of followers without even realizing that Ninoy is no Mandela, Gandhi, Nehru, Tunku or Rizal. "Aquino is no saint at all, like Binay, Enrile, etc. who go up against Marcos. But this is not all about color.. It is not about pro or anti. It is about truth.... Anyway di lang naman channel 2 ang station dito sa atin.. Meron pang iba na pwedeng source..Truth? I asked if you had read the two books I've mentioned in my earlier posts, because if you'll just rely on write ups made by or sourced from American spies or propagandists who despise Asian leaders well I would try my best to understand where you're coming from sir.Indeed maraming source pero kung hindi i-analyze ang motives ng source magiging malabnaw ang katotohanan.
lalim ng usapan dito ah...hehehei think the US intended to replace marcos eventually...marcos, like everybody else aged too, after all. besides, he was already peeing in his pants from lupus. the US had to look ahead.ok...so marcos was this evil dictator and everything, right? he was replaced and then...? ano ba ginawa nung mga sumunod sa kanya? other than "nationalizing" everything in sight, may major accomplishments na ba ang 5 presidente after marcos? during marcos' time, nobody needed to get a permit to rally. these days, i suppose protests are better organized -- may permiso pa nung ipinoprotesta mo eh di ba? yun eh kung papayagan ka. are we freer? are we safer? at 6 years old, i talked my parents into letting me commute to and from school on my own. they agreed. this was during martial law. as parents or siblings, would you feel as safe? heck, kahit pa latak na lang ng impluwensya ni marcos ang inabutan mo, would you think the next generation would be better educated than you? just asking.
I dont know why you are really insisting about the CIA wanting to remove Marcos from Office..Aside dun sa sinabi kong Rockfeller and Ford Foundation, dagdag ko pa ito. 1. In Sept., 1970 Imelda Marcos, then the First Lady of the Philippines, feared that domestic political opposition threatened plans by her husband, President Ferdinand Marcos, to revise the Philippine constitution and thus extend his term in office, which would otherwise lapse in 1973. When Mrs. Marcos flew to Washington, D.C. that Sept., she was able to obtain a private audience in the White House with U.S. President Richard Nixon. The First Lady also summoned Director of Central Intelligence Richard Helms to her suite in the Madison Hotel - the presidential suite. The declassified State Department and White House documents reveal that in her Sept. 22 private meetings with Nixon and Helms, Mrs. Marcos asked for some $23 million in CIA covert funding. The money was to be used to buy political support to elect pro-Marcos delegates to the Constitutional Convention two months later. Mrs. Marcos these days is perceived in the public mind as a comic figure, thanks to her famous love of expensive shoes and jewelry. But in her prime, the politically ambitious First Lady was considered a woman with an independent power base who was accordingly treated with respect by heads of state.Just what I've thought your naivete continues to blur your insights. Would you really think that the CIA would really admit all the treacherous acts that they had done against Marcos? Plastikan lang yan sir, pulitika ika nga. The stated "unconfirmed" info you mentioned below only shows the deception of the Americans against Marcos. 2. (According to Ongpin) As the nation hung on a knife-edge on Feb. 22, 1986, President Ferdinand Marcos signed a deal with an emissary of US President Ronald Reagan to keep him in power that included removing his wife, Imelda, and loyal security chief Gen. Fabian Ver, according to former Trade Minister Roberto V. Ongpin.Ongpin said he was with Reagan’s troubleshooter, Philip Habib, and US Ambassador Stephen Bosworth in the Palace on the day Ver aborted a coup attempt by Defense Minister Juan Ponce Enrile that prompted Enrile to defect. He was later joined in the breakaway by Lt. Gen. Fidel Ramos. Bosworth and Habib outlined arrangements for Marcos to remain in power under five conditions, three of which were “nonnegotiable,” said Ongpin, who helped draw up a presidential decree to cover each of the conditions hammered out during weeklong negotiations with Habib and Bosworth. He said he reported every step of the way to Marcos, who approved all five conditions. “No. 1, Fabian out. Out. No way. Out of any position in the military. And Eddie Ramos will take over. The Americans like Eddie Ramos,” Ongpin said. “Secondly, Imelda, out. The Ministry of Human Settlements abolished. Her position as governor of Metro Manila abolished, she would have absolutely no position in the government. No. 3, a new Cabinet. They wanted a stronger Cabinet. And I had to talk to each one of them. It was tough. I cannot mention the names. You’ll be surprised at some of the names who agreed to become members of the new Cabinet. Maybe I can only mention one, because he has passed away, Enrique Zobel, as agriculture secretary,” Ongpin said. Ongpin said Marcos vetted the candidates and approved the final listBut here's something that almost caused me to fall in my chair. In answer to your 3rd argument, how could an Asian leader, more so being a Filipino president to influence American Foreign Policy? I admit Marcos is indeed brilliant and assertive, but I have serious doubts if he could really manipulate and handle a world leader in the person of Ronald Reagan. Do you really think the Americans are so stupid that they will allow foreign entities to influence their political scene more so their foreign policy. Nandun na tayo that Makoy is America's Boy, a trusted friend against the rising tide fo communism. But do you think Americans would make fools out of themselves of not knowing Marcos plans of biting them back? Kaya lalong nagiging malabo ang pag-aaral ng Marcos era Philippines kung puro distorted data, rumors pa madalas ang pinapasok natin sa discussions. Come on stick to the issue and not just be a bigot. Lahat naman siguro dito mag-aagree na marami din naging mali si Marcos pero claiming once again na gusto mong lang mag-mulat ng iba? I do question it especially kung shady and unverified infos. Focus tayo dun sa debate issue, far out idea na po minsan. Yamashita Treasure? This is pure speculation! Come on, give us some slack will you? How true Reagan and Marcos are best of friends para lang masabi na hindi trinaydor ng mga Kano si Makoy? Sheesh kung yan ang excuse ng magiging bf ko, hiwalayan na lang kaya kami agad.. 3. when marcos was exiled in the philippines, former president ronald reagan told marcos he should live in the U.S,why would he support him if at that time many filipinos hated marcos while the philippines and the america were allies?Answer. The relationship between President Marcos and President Reagan goes way beyond what we know. Yes, President Marcos was a known anti-communist and has done a lot to curb communism in the Philippines which, during those time was gaining support and spreading like wildfire not only in the country and other asian countries but also in the western and eastern countries. President Marcos' fight against communism in the Philippines was in consonance with the fight of USA against USSR, which, at that time was considered by the Reagan administration as the biggest threat of communism. Thus, the US considered the Philippines as it's only reliable ally in the East Asian region and President Marcos as the champion of democracy thereat.Likewise, President Marcos was also rumored to have had helped President Reagan with his political ambitions when he provided campaign funds in the latter's US presidential bids. But what most of us did not know was that President Marcos did not only contributed in the campaign funds of President Reagan. The Philippines, through the generosity of President Marcos and unknown to many, sent tons of gold bars to the U.S.A. to help keep its falling/depleted economy afloat during the late 70's and early 80's. These tons of gold came from the Yamashita treasures that President Marcos allegedly unearthed, looted and some transported to and deposited in President Marcos' secret accounts in Switzerland. Not only that, President Reagan was able to get some inspirations from President Marcos during their numerous conversations that influenced him on the way he ran US during his administration. It could be said that President Marcos was a mentor of President Reagan. Remember that during those times, President Marcos was even admired/awed by some leaders of the so-called rich countries. World leaders then lined up just to be able to visit and converse with President Marcos.President Reagan considered President Marcos as his only best friend in the whole world. For President Reagan, his friendship with President Marcos is the most important thing in the whole world. It is far more important than the relationship between the Philippines and U.S.A. and what the Filipinos would say to him.
