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China Called On Lockheed Martin CEO To Halt Philippines F-35 Jet Fighter Procurement
China immediately called on Lockheed Martin Chief Executive Officer. Bruce H. Thonner. They called through the back door channel to halt and block the Philippine government in its plan acquisition and procurement of 12 units F-35 lightning, Joint Strike fighter jets (JSF). This was revealed by our insider at the control and operation assembly plant facility inside Lockheed Martin.
The CEO solidly and strictly informed China that they have no rights and jurisdiction to make such orders because it will compromise company’s interest and they cannot follow orders to them or orders from other government. We can only follow orders to our own government, The United States of America. In fact we cannot derail such agreement because it is a G to G policy or government to government arrangement.
An approval of US Congress soft loan package is on its way, waiting for immediate signing and implementation. Recently President Barrack Obama made a request to Congress to prioritize the approval of Philippine security defense budget.
Meanwhile, with the immediate approval of Philippine Senate bill 1657 amending Section 53 of Republic act 9184 a law allowing President Aquino’s immediate power in procuring military assets, directly to the government that has mutual security defense arrangement. Such military assets are Fighter Jets, Warship, (GTAM) Ground to air missile or (SAM) surface to air missiles, attack submarines, attack choppers and combat tanks for the use of the Armed Forces of the Philippines minimum credible defense posture.
Philippines is planning to acquire 1 squadron of 12 units F-35 lightning, joint strike fighter jets with stealth capability through the help and offer of the United States military soft loan assistance to guard their territory against intrusion of Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone, West Philippine Sea.
Lockheed Martin Corp. is the company that develops and assembles F-35 joint strike fighter jets or (JSF).
source: http://manilalivewire.com/china-called-on-lockheed-martin-ceo-to-halt-philippines-f-35-jet-fighter-procurement/ (http://manilalivewire.com/china-called-on-lockheed-martin-ceo-to-halt-philippines-f-35-jet-fighter-procurement/)
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maraming salamat sa post mo sir
malamang kinakabahan ang china kung magtuloy yan
pero kung sakali na matuloy yan, aba maganda yan para sa seguridad ng bansa. sana mag give way yung mga nangungurakot na wag na muna silang mangurakot at ng maimodernize naman ang militar natin
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ahahaha... hindi naman nababahala sa atin ang China... kulangot lang tayo sa kanila hehehe...
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Magandang balita nga ito sir.its a solid start towards a credible defense ng bansa. Sana matuloy din yung plano na pagbili ng plane from south korea.
The man who sold the world
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malamang kung totoo yan, mag counter offer ang china para dun sa offer ng Pinas
posibleng gawin nila ay 60 units ang bilhin nila, or kung ano man ang offer natin ay i-triple nila
syempre negosyo yan
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Ayos na ayos yan. Ok ang info mo sir.
Oo nga kulangot tayo pero gagamitan pa rin ng daliri para ilabas he he, makapit kasi.
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Sounds like China is just trolling us. Not unless ICBM itong binibigay saatin, I don't think China will be shaking in their boots anytime soon.
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Hogwash.
1. We cannot afford it.
2. We are not part of the F35 partner program (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35-int.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35-int.htm)).
3. This is the CEO of Lockheed Martin (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/who-we-are/leadership/hewson.html (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/who-we-are/leadership/hewson.html))
4. Other "notable" articles in that website include:
6 Things You Don’t Know About Angel’s Burger (http://manilalivewire.com/6-things-you-dont-know-about-angels-burger/ (http://manilalivewire.com/6-things-you-dont-know-about-angels-burger/))
Hogwash.
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Mark my word - they cannot halt anything that we Pinoys what to acquire to boost our AFP. US is backing us through this project. China might have the superior power, pero as now, if you read the news on the web, they cannot sustain their growing economy. Kaya yung mga European companies are starting to pullout from China. They are doing this bullying in south china sea because of strategic location and resources, our seas might have oil and now they are getting our sea resources of fish. Tama ang ginawa natin, we have to ally in US and NATO. Man to man kayang kaya natin ang mga PLA soldiers, look at the history nung Korean War, na trap ang mga pinoys kontra sa maraming Chinese,natalo pa natin sila, maraming patay dun na Chinese. What we cannot surpass right now is the military might of China because of their sophisticated weapons na copy paste from US technology. But rest assured as long andyan sa atin ang US at NATO at some Asian allies, like Vietnam and Japan, China could not afford to conquer us. Hanggang dyan lang sila sa islets natin. Ngayon kinaalangan nila ng resources para ma feed ang kanilang growing economy that seems to weaken na. It would be foolish for them to go to war, magugutom sila. Kaya natatakot sila na maka acquire tayo ng high tech weapons and fighters kasi pag nagkataon marami silang dedepensahan, from Philippines, Vietnam at Japan pa lang hindi na nila alam ang gagawin. Plus yung sabi nilang nuclear weapon, kahit ano karami pa, yung Russia sila ang may pinakamaraming nuclear arsenal it would be useless because of US's and NATO's missile shield. At yung mga tarantadong pinoy dyan na panay rally ng anti-US sentiment dapat sila ang lumaban kung sakaling lusubin ng China ang Pinas. It is not about Pinoy's pride it is a practical logic, we need to side to much powerful countries and that is the US and its allies. Eh kung naging US state tayo noon eh di sana masagana tayo. It is about who survives in the long run. :book1:
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NATO is North Atlantic. It's on the other side of the world.
SEATO was created to like NATO but was dissolved. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia_Treaty_Organization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia_Treaty_Organization))
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yep - complete hogwash sabi nga ni bohica.
isang eroplano nito e kasing-halaga na ata ng kalahati ng budget ng pilipinas. hanggang owner-type jeep lang ang kaya nating bilihin, bakit maghahangad tayo ng chedeng??
tsaka malaki ang credibility issue ng nagpublish ng article na ito. in short kalokohan yung website. :book1:
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tama kayo, at sa pagbili ng eroplano, may kasamang maintenance team yan. meron din dapat na dedicated air florce base. maraming dapat na pagbasehan bago bumili
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tama kayo, at sa pagbili ng eroplano, may kasamang maintenance team yan. meron din dapat na dedicated air florce base. maraming dapat na pagbasehan bago bumili
yah - matindi ang maintenance schedule ng mga eroplanong ganyan. balita ko mga more than 10 hrs of maintenance time for every 1 hr of flying time ang ganyan.
pag susumahin mo mas mahal pa ang maintenance cost kesa sa eroplano mismo. parang babaeng sosyal. high maintenance. magiging syota mo nga kaso patay ka naman sa gastos!
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Hogwash.
1. We cannot afford it.
2. We are not part of the F35 partner program (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35-int.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35-int.htm)).
3. This is the CEO of Lockheed Martin (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/who-we-are/leadership/hewson.html (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/who-we-are/leadership/hewson.html))
4. Other "notable" articles in that website include:
6 Things You Don’t Know About Angel’s Burger (http://manilalivewire.com/6-things-you-dont-know-about-angels-burger/ (http://manilalivewire.com/6-things-you-dont-know-about-angels-burger/))
Hogwash.
Nakuryente pala ako dito sa Manila LIVEWIRE >:(
sencia na mga tol....excited lang magka F-35 ;D
ung FA-50 pala ng korea ang deal ng Phil. gov....
(http://static.progressivemediagroup.com/uploads/imagelibrary/FA-50%20Light%20Combat%20Aircraft.jpg)
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/-fa-50-light-combat-aircraft-south-korea/ (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/-fa-50-light-combat-aircraft-south-korea/)
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Dream on. Lol
Its an F35. Around 70,000,000 USD each, try multiplying it by 40. Kulang pa para sa isang pirasong ang buong budget ng gobyerno natin this 2014. Lol
Satire lang eto, research din pag may time. Lol
And even if this is true, I don't think the Chinese will block the sale ng F35 sa atin, if we buy it, they can easily steal the plans from us, sa dami ng espiya nila sa atin madali nila makukuha yung technology if sa atin ibenta, pabor na pabor sa kanila eto.
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Sa mga crab-mentality dudes na nagcomment ng negative about acquiring this superb fighting plane, kahit mahal yan, this all we need. Kahit konti lang basta meron tayo. Maging supportive naman kayo sa Pangulo natin. Wag kayong puro satsat nang satsat nagmumukha kayo tuloy nyong mga binabayarang raliyesta na puro satsat lang ang ginagawa. Kung totoong gusto nyo magbago ang Pilipinas isa na ito sa mga unang hakbang. At nagsabing satire ito, ikaw din mag research din pag may time, na deal na nga FYI. May DEAL na hindi mo ba alam? Kahit marami pang espiya ang China dito kahit ano, magbase ka sa quality ng technology. Yung China madali maka kopya but tingnan nyo ang quality ng technology nila, napakalayo sa kinokopya nila. Binili natin to dahil kaya natin. Puro kayo salita kayo na lang lumipad para ecounter ang mga bomber ng China pag binobomba nila tayo. Sadyang may ibang mga Pinoy na nagmamarunong. Tingnan nyo ang China mismo, kaya sila lumalaki dahil ang suporta ng tao nasa kanilang gobyerno. Sa atin nga may mga tiwali gaya nila Tanda, sixy at Agimat, pero sana wag nyo lahatin. Dun kayo maniwala sa tuwid na daan, kung ayaw nyo dun na lang kayo sa bundok, kasama ang walang kabuluhang pakikipaglaban ng CPP NPA. :o
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Nagsabi lang na di natin afford to, crab mentality na? Lol
F35 is a fifth generation fighter, limited nations lang ang bebentahan ng USA neto, research din pag may time and sadly di tayo kasama dun. Partner/close nations lang ang bebentahan neto.
So if crab mentality ang tingin mo Manongmalakika sa mga nagcocomment ng negative sa isang imposibleng deal, ano naman ang tingin mo sa mga tulad mo na naniniwala agad.
This plane cost 120 to 150million USD a piece, subukan mo i-multiply yung 120,000,000 sa 40 na lang, tignan mo ano lalabas, eto na para di ka mahirapan. 4,800,000,000 = 4.8trillion pesos isa!
Ano ang current fiscal budget ng gobyerno natin? 1.something trillion, hirap pang maipasa. Lol May utang na naman tayo if ever bumili tayo ng isa. Hahahaha
Alam mo ba na yung Israel (forgot what administration was it) nag offer ng 2 squadrons ng KFIRs sa atin kapalit yung parang sponge na nakukuha sa dagat na marami tayo, ang gusto nila is exclusivity ng pag order lang ata, tinanggihan natin, ang Israeli KFIRs is a capable 3rd gen fighter, kahalintulad ng F4 Phantom. Pero tinanggihan natin.
Maski meron tayong 100 na F35, if wala tayong credible air defense system (RADAR, Early Warning Systems, ETC...) Eh wala pa din, di makakalipad yang F35, sabog agad.
Maintenance nga lang ng S21 Flying Coffins di natin nagawa eh, F35 pa. Lol Panahon ni Pres Ramos, pinagpilian ata yung S21 at F4, pinili ang S21, kasi mas mura at mas malaki ang PDAF. Lol Ayun, out of 24 ata ilan ang nag crash at ilan ang lumilipad pa.
Isipin mo ha, sa deal ng gobyerno, kada isang F35, apat na taong FULL FISCAL YEAR BUDGET ang kelangan natin ibayad, FULL/BUO so ano pa ang budget para sa ibang bagay. Wala pa dyan yung pag gawa ng hangars, air defense systems, training ng mainenance crews, F35 armaments (ang pinakamurang armament niyan is yung GAU-22 Cannon).
Mas makakabuti pa sa atin bumili ng F16C/D or F15D or the F4 Phantom for air defense and a few A10 Warthog plus a couple AC130 Spectre Gunship for counter insurgency.
I am for the modernization of the AFP, not only AFP but the whole country as well, but buying an F35 is not the way to go.
Natawa ako sa paunang statement mo Manongmalakika. Crab mentality pag nag negative comment sa isang bagay na di natin kayang iafford. Nyahahahaha. I'd rather be a person na may crab mentality kesa mahalintulad sa iyo. xD
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can't afford nga tayo dito sa F-35 sa ngayon.
kaya mag-umpisa muna tayo sa Korean made na F-50. ;D
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Groza iho mas natatawa ako sa iyo lalo na sa statement mo "Natawa ako sa paunang statement mo Manongmalakika. Crab mentality pag nag negative comment sa isang bagay na di natin kayang iafford. Nyahahahaha. I'd rather be a person na may crab mentality kesa mahalintulad sa iyo." Ang tanong ko dun eh anong tawag dapat sa iyo? Ang meaning nang sinabi ko ang mga Pinoy ay may pagka crab mentality. Palagay ko ang dapat sa itawag sa iyo groza is yung taong mahilig lang magsalita walang gawa, maihahalintulad ka sa mga nag rarally na walang kabuluhan. Puro salita, puro reklamo, puro napupuna ang mali ang pamahalaan yan ka Pareng Groza. Eh kung hindi natin sana kaya ito sana hindi na tayo nakipag deal. Alam nyo bang naka deal na ito? In the first place deal na ito, inuulit ko ito baka hindi mo alam Pareng Groza. Natatawa ako sa logic mo na " Maski meron tayong 100 na F35, if wala tayong credible air defense system (RADAR, Early Warning Systems, ETC...) Eh wala pa din, di makakalipad yang F35, sabog agad" Pareng Groza paano tayo uunlad yan? Lahat ng pag unlad nagsisimula sa maliit na hakbang. Saka kahit anong sabihin mo pa, ang logic dun eh, parang tanga lang ang ating pamahalaan pag kumuha tayo ng hindi natin kaya. Nag deal tayo dahil kaya natin. Kahit umutang pa tayo ok lang, wag lang mapunta sa mga corrupt na gawain ang pera ng bayan. Saka ikaw mag isip Pareng Groza sa mga logic mo - KUNG HINDI MO MA GETS - NA DEAL NA! ANG SALITANG DEAL PLEASE STUDY DIN PAG MAY TIME. Parag inamin mo na rin na may crab mentality ka sa sinabi mo. Ako Id rather be humiliated but I wont dishonor my country, yung wala kang ginagawa puro puna lang. Para kang mga skater dyan na ang dinadahilan nang pagiging mahirap nila ay ang mali ng pamahalaan, eh ang katotohanan eh, tamad sila paghanap buhay. Isip isip din pag may time pareng groza mas nakakatawa ka. 8)
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hindi totoo ito. ang plan ng afp particularly air force is kumuha ng 12 na fa 50 eagle from Korea (KAI). Ang gameplan is to have an interim 4th gen fighter at the same time trainer para maprepare ang mga pilots natin mag handle ng ganyang fighters. take note the fa 50 is similar sa design ng f16 na possible na ibenta ng us dahil sa pagpapalit nila ng eroplano.
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Manongmalakika - Lol Where is the deal? Try to research it sa mga US Defense sites, if merong deal na ibebenta ang F35 sa Pilipinas and try to research din if kasama tayo sa mga partner countries na bebentahan ng F35.
I'd rather tell the truth and look like I am humiliating my country than tell a lie to look like I love it more than anyone else. Lol
Gamitin mo ang Google at Wikipedia please... ^^
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Manongmalakika is now learning how to fly one of those cardboard planes sa bubong ng kanyang bahay. Still dreaming we'll get one of those F35. What an idiot.