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Tambayan ng mga Chicx at Tsonx => Entertainment Industry => Sports => Topic started by: Dimmu Borgir on June 04, 2013, 03:11:22 PM
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(I will not include the names of many talented players here, but you can put it here if it your choice. Just post also the reason why do you think makes him the best player who ever played basketball)
Let’s start with.
Magic Johnson, (1979 – 1991, 1996) for me is the BEST ALL AROUND PLAYER who can play the five positions. He has the highest assist average in an NBA career ever. He lead the lakers to the NBA crown when he was just a rookie but yet didn't win rookie of the year he has 5 rings 3 MVP's and way way more awards. he is a great player and if he didn't retire on his 12 season he would probably be at the very top at this list or at least second because he was probably the best of the era he played. Career average are: 19.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 11.2 apg
Kareem Abdul Jabbar (1969 – 1989)
Who had the most points of all time in the NBA (38,387), He won just as many championships as MJ, and just as many MVPs. Also, Abdul-Jabbar is the NBA’s all-time leader in minutes played (57,446, field goals made (15,837), field goal attempts (28,307), All Star Games (18), and All Star Selections (19). He is now 10th in Field Goal Percentage (.559), 2nd in Games Played (1,560), 3rd for most Rebounds (17,440) Career average: 24.6 ppg, 11.2 rpg, 2.5 bpg.
Wilt Chamberlain (1959 – 1973)
(career high lights) He averaged 50 points in a single season Scored 100 points in a single game. Got 55 rebounds against the Celtics led by Bill Russell (2nd all time career rebounder behind chamberlain) Had a 33 game winning streak. Of the 62 times more than 60 points have been scored by a single person in a game, 32 of those times were by Chamberlain. Blocked shots were recorded after he retired, but Harvey Pollack asked his statisticians to count Chamberlain's blocks, and they got up to 25 one night. Well above the record for most blocks in a single game. In a sport where one game is 48 minutes for a season he averaged 48.5 minutes a game, thanks to overtime.
2× NBA champion (1967, 1972) NBA Finals MVP (1972), 4× NBA Most Valuable Player (1960, 1966–1968), 13× NBA All-Star (1960–1969, 1971–1973), NBA All-Star Game MVP (1960), NBA Rookie of the Year (1960) , 7× NBA scoring champion (1960–1966) , 11× NBA rebounding champion (1960–1963, 1966–1969, 1971–1973) , 7× All-NBA First Team (1960–1962, 1964, 1965–1968)
Statistically, Wilt is the most dominating player who played in the NBA but the problem is he has only two championship.
Michael Jordan. (1984 – 1993, 1995 – 1998, 2001 – 2003)
• 6× NBA champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998); 6× NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998); 5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998); 14× NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003); 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998); NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988); NBA Rookie of the Year (1985); 10× NBA scoring champion (1987–1993, 1996–1998); 3× NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1993); 10× All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998); All-NBA Second Team (1985); 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998) Career Average. 30.1 ppg, 6.2rpg, 5.3 apg
I think MJ became only the greatest basketball player because of media hype. He is good but surely he is not the best. Statistically, he is not dominating a game like Kareem Abdul Jabbar did. And when athleticism and versatility is concern, He cannot play the five positions unlike Magic Johnson. About championship rings, he has just 6 compared to Bill Russel l 11.
So here’s my choice.
BILL RUSSEL (1956 – 1959)
Listed as between 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) and 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m), Russell's shot-blocking and man-to-man defense were major reasons for the Celtics' success. He also inspired his teammates to elevate their own defensive play. Russell was equally notable for his rebounding abilities. He led the NBA in rebounds four times, and remains second all-time in both total rebounds and rebounds per game. He is one of just two NBA players (the other being prominent rival Wilt Chamberlain) to have grabbed more than fifty rebounds in a game. Though never the focal point of the Celtics' offense, Russell also scored 14,522 career points and provided effective passing.
13 years in nba. 13 times in nba final championship. 11 nba champion. In 1957 - 1958 season, russel injured badly that’s why Celtics lost the nba championship. In 1966 - 1967 season, boston lost in finals as russel playing for the first time as playing coach.
Career average: 15.1 ppg, 22.5 rpg, 4.3 apg
Legacy
Russell is one of the most successful and decorated athletes in North American sports history. His awards and achievements include eleven NBA championships as a player with the Boston Celtics in 13 seasons (including two NBA championships as player/head coach), and he is credited with having raised defensive play in the NBA to a new level.[65] By winning the 1956 NCAA Championship with USF and the 1957 NBA title with the Celtics, Russell became the first of only four players in basketball history to win an NCAA championship and an NBA Championship back-to-back (the others being Henry Bibby, Magic Johnson, and Billy Thompson). In the interim, Russell collected an Olympic gold medal in 1956. His stint as coach of the Celtics was also of historical significance, as he became the first black head coach in major U.S. professional sports when he succeeded Red Auerbach.
In his first NBA full season (1957–58), Russell became the first player in NBA history to average more than 20 rebounds per game for an entire season, a feat he accomplished 10 times in his 13 seasons. Russell's 51 rebounds in a single game is the second highest performance ever, only trailing Chamberlain's all-time record of 55. He still holds the NBA record for rebounds in one half with 32 (vs. Philadelphia, on November 16, 1957). Career-wise, Russell ranks second only to Wilt Chamberlain in regular season total (21,620) and average (22.5) rebounds per game, and led the NBA in average rebounds per game four times. Russell is the all-time playoff leader in total (4,104) and average (24.9) rebounds per game, he grabbed 40 rebounds in three separate playoff games (twice in the NBA Finals), and he never failed to average at least 20 rebounds per game in any of his 13 post-season campaigns. Russell also had seven regular season games with 40 or more rebounds, the NBA Finals record for highest rebound per game average (29.5 rpg, 1959) and by a rookie (22.9 rpg, 1957). In addition, Russell holds the NBA Finals single-game record for most rebounds (40, March 29, 1960 vs. St. Louis and April 18, 1962 vs. Los Angeles), most rebounds in a quarter (19, April 18, 1962 vs. Los Angeles), and most consecutive games with 20 or more rebounds (15 from April 9, 1960 – April 16, 1963).[67] He also had 51 in one game, 49 in two others, and twelve straight seasons of 1,000 or more rebounds.[1] Russell was known as one of the most clutch players in the NBA. He played in 11 deciding games (10 times in Game 7s, once in a Game 5), and ended with a flawless 11–0 record. In these eleven games, Russell averaged 18 points and 29.45 rebounds.[19]
On the hardwood, he was considered the consummate defensive center, noted for his unmatched defensive intensity, his stellar basketball IQ and his sheer will to win. Russell excelled at playing man-to-man defense, blocking shots, and grabbing defensive and offensive rebounds.[1] He also could score with putbacks and made mid-air outlet passes to point guard Bob Cousy for easy fast break points.[1] He also was known as a fine passer and pick-setter, featured a decent left-handed hook shot and finished strong on alley oops.[19] However, on offense, Russell's output was limited. His NBA career personal averages show him to be an average scorer (15.1 points career average), a poor free throw shooter (56.1%), and average overall shooter from the field (44%, not exceptional for a center). In his 13 years, he averaged a relatively low 13.4 field goals attempted (normally, top scorers average 20 and more), illustrating that he was never the focal point of the Celtics offense, instead focusing on his tremendous defense.
In his career, Russell won five regular season MVP awards (1959, 1961–63, 1965)—tied with Michael Jordan for second all-time behind Kareem Abdul Jabbar's six awards. He was selected three times to the All-NBA First Teams (1959, 1963, 1965) and eight Second Teams (1958, 1960–62, 1964, 1966–68), and was a twelve-time NBA All-Star (1958–1969). Russell was elected to one NBA All-Defensive First Team. This took place during his last season (1969), and was the first season the NBA All-Defensive Teams were selected. In 1970, The Sporting News named Russell the "Athlete of the Decade". Russell is universally seen as one of the best NBA players ever, and was declared "Greatest Player in the History of the NBA" by the Professional Basketball Writers Association of America in 1980.[1] For his achievements, Russell was named "Sportsman of the Year" by Sports Illustrated in 1968. He also made all three NBA Anniversary Teams: the NBA 25th Anniversary All-Time Team (1970), the NBA 35th Anniversary All-Time Team (1980) and the NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996). Russell ranked #18 on ESPN's 50 Greatest Athletes of the 20th Century in 1999. In 2009, SLAM Magazine named Russell the #3 player of all time behind Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain.[68] On Saturday February 14, 2009, during the 2009 NBA All-Star Weekend in Phoenix, NBA Commissioner David Stern announced that the NBA Finals MVP Award would be named after Bill Russell.[2] Russell was named as a 2010 recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom.[69]
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Best ever? Michael Jordan.
Best current? LeBron James.
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for me its micheal jordan... wala parin tatalo sa kanya...
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For me... Michael Jordan....
Sya ang nagpasikat ng basketball sa ibang mundo
Statistical wise, halos lahat nag top sya.. hindi lang offensive pari defensive area ng basketball nag top din
Wala pa halos nakakaemulate sa galing nya sa homecourt pati na rin sa team. May mga player na nakalapit pero hindi pa rin nararating kung sino man si Jordan sa baaketball..
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MJ is very far as statistics is concerned. Offensive to Wilt (Wilt average 50 points in one season and even score 100 points in a single game considering 3 points is not existing those days) and defensive from Bill Russel. (Bill Russel is notably known for his man to man defense, shot blocking abilities, rebounding skills, and athleticism.) As far as galing, i dont think so na ganun sya kagaling, Di sya versatile katulad ni Magic Johnson na pwedeng maglaro from Center to point guard. Michael Jordan is not even effective in playing point guard position. He can play only SG and SF position..
For me... Michael Jordan....
Sya ang nagpasikat ng basketball sa ibang mundo
Statistical wise, halos lahat nag top sya.. hindi lang offensive pari defensive area ng basketball nag top din
Wala pa halos nakakaemulate sa galing nya sa homecourt pati na rin sa team. May mga player na nakalapit pero hindi pa rin nararating kung sino man si Jordan sa baaketball..
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Wala ako masyado alam sa basketball eh. Pero for me, Michael Jordan.
Dude c'mon.. he played with bugs bunny.. like really who plays with THE bugs bunny?
And besides, ano sabi rubber shoes ko? That's right. Jordan.
MJ ftw man.
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MJ nuff said . . .
G.O.A.T yan ee . . .
He was like Ali of Boxing maraming magaling but the charisma he had wala ng tatalo . . .
di lang stats ang dapat pagbasehan dyan , consider the era na pinaglaruan nila , i don't think Bill Russel will still dominate in this era . . .
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for me jordan ... Kahit bata kilala siya :o
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that's true.. because of this what we called media hype. but it doesn't justify that because of that, pwede na nating sabihing sya na nga. We are talking here extra ordinary talent and skills..
Even Phil Jackson select Bill Russel over MJ if he asked to start a team considering he handles MJ and he rely only statistically over Russell.
for me jordan ... Kahit bata kilala siya :o
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that's true.. because of this what we called media hype. but it doesn't justify that because of that, pwede na nating sabihing sya na nga. We are talking here extra ordinary talent and skills..
Even Phil Jackson select Bill Russel over MJ if he asked to start a team considering he handles MJ and he rely only statistically over Russell.
i think Jordan creates so called "media hype". It is not because of media why Jordan was well known to others, it because of pure skills and talent that all of us notice to him.
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Majority of sports writers, analyst, and even ordinary hoop fans consider His Airness Michael Jordan the greatest athlete to ever play basketball. . . and hmmm. . . I agree with them. ;)
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si MJ pa din ang the best
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consider skills, talent, leadership and so on?
bill russell is the man, 13 years in nba.. 13 nba finals appearance.. 11 championship, just lost once in a nba championship, (he is injured on the other one and did not play)
So sad that his accomplishment is not well known and easily shadowed by Jordan accomplishment, who is very far from him. Thanks to movie & product endorsement that makes him well known around the world. Jordan anyway is considered to be one of the most branded name in sports story..
i think Jordan creates so called "media hype". It is not because of media why Jordan was well known to others, it because of pure skills and talent that all of us notice to him.
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for me it would be MJ although some would argue that bill russell deserves the honors but considering that there are only 10 teams on the league on that era..... game schedules were not that tough compared to 82 regular season games plus playoff games jordan has to play
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"Russell played in an era where there were fewer NBA teams—about 10. While some may argue that each team had more concentrated talent, the level of talent does not compare to that of today’s game."
- Short answer: quality and not the quantity of teams determines the difficulty of winning the championship.
The level of talent in today's game is DIFFUSED across 30 teams (although the international players are certainly buffing up the talent level post-200). Players who were NOT talented enough to be drafted and play in the NBA in the 80's got their chance in the 90's when 6 expansion teams joined the League. Also, the top players in Jordan's time rarely match up each other to test their abilities. To give an example, Shaq only faceoff with Ewing in the East 4x and facesoff with Hakeem and Robinson in the West 2x. The top centers spend most of their time fending off middling talent like Ilgauskas.
In contrast, in Russell's time, the NCAA and NIT (when it still mattered) was concentrated in only 8-9 teams. This is why most teams back then have multiple Hall Of Famers on their rosters. Even the bottom-feeding teams like the Knicks have HoF players like Walt Bellamy. The 24th pick of the 1st round today would be the final pick of the 3rd round in the 60's. Only the cream of the crop get to play in the NBA in the 60's. In addition, Russell would face off Wilt Chamberlain 8-9 times a season. When he is not fighting Wilt, he is fending off other Hall of Famers 8-9x again like Nate Thurmond, Jerry Lucas, Willis Reed etc. you get the drift. They have to work their butts off almost everytime.
Russell might have played with 3 or 4 top 50 guys, but he also played AGAINST a lot of top 50 guys, as the players I just named indicates.
Russell was the ULTIMATE "makes his teammates better" guy. Jordan never made anyone better... Pippen had his best year in 1994, when Jordan was retired, and BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant made their ONLY All Star appearances in 1994 (without Jordan there to "make them better)... Armstrong played 11 years in the NBA and Grant played 17 seasons.
for me it would be MJ although some would argue that bill russell deserves the honors but considering that there are only 10 teams on the league on that era..... game schedules were not that tough compared to 82 regular season games plus playoff games jordan has to play
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im not questioning the talents of bill russell's era but the ware and tare a player gets playing 82 games per season plus playoffs games imagine playing on your home court and playing again the next day on the road plus the physicality of the players on MJ's era
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What im trying to say is tougher ang competition nun kasi konting teams, mas magagaling ang mga players kumpara ngayon. Every game dapat ilabas mo ang galing mo noon unlike ngayon na pwedeng magaling ka ngayun tapos relax ka sa sunod kasi mahina yung team na katapat mo.
Secondly, the 60's era, was a more physical era. There were no sissy flagrant or hand-check fouls during that time. Refs allowed those physical tactics go unpunished because the owners and NBA management believe that blood and violence was what brought people to basketball games back then.
82 games playing every other day is quite not a good reasons since mas maganda na ngayun ang system sa nba, higher salaries, good hotel accommodations during road games, naka eroplano pa sila, may conditioning coach pa sila, lahat halos ng convenience eh nasa kanila na at higit sa lahat eh yung playing time nila.
di katulad sa panahon ni russel na sa mga pipitsuging hotel lang sila at sa bus pa sila sumasakay during road games, konti lang ang sahod na ang iba eh nagtatrabaho pa pag off season at halos ng laro eh babad siya.
Si Wilt nga average mpg nya is 48.5 considering 48m per game lang.
im not questioning the talents of bill russell's era but the ware and tare a player gets playing 82 games per season plus playoffs games imagine playing on your home court and playing again the next day on the road plus the physicality of the players on MJ's era
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i agree and base on stats, si Bill Russel din ang bet ko sa best basketball player....
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Michael Jordan.
He revolutionized basketball.
At yung mga accomplishments niya.
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What im trying to say is tougher ang competition nun kasi konting teams, mas magagaling ang mga players kumpara ngayon. Every game dapat ilabas mo ang galing mo noon unlike ngayon na pwedeng magaling ka ngayun tapos relax ka sa sunod kasi mahina yung team na katapat mo.
Secondly, the 60's era, was a more physical era. There were no sissy flagrant or hand-check fouls during that time. Refs allowed those physical tactics go unpunished because the owners and NBA management believe that blood and violence was what brought people to basketball games back then.
82 games playing every other day is quite not a good reasons since mas maganda na ngayun ang system sa nba, higher salaries, good hotel accommodations during road games, naka eroplano pa sila, may conditioning coach pa sila, lahat halos ng convenience eh nasa kanila na at higit sa lahat eh yung playing time nila.
di katulad sa panahon ni russel na sa mga pipitsuging hotel lang sila at sa bus pa sila sumasakay during road games, konti lang ang sahod na ang iba eh nagtatrabaho pa pag off season at halos ng laro eh babad siya.
Si Wilt nga average mpg nya is 48.5 considering 48m per game lang.
ang format ng liga noon ay parang sa PBA may round robin tapos ang top teams may out right spot sa semis at quater finals depende sa standing ng team ang boston celtics ni bill russell ay palaging nasa taas ng standing which gives them an outright spot sa semis.... di tulad ng kay jordan na kahit ikaw ang no1 sa liga pwede ka pa rin ma eliminate sa 1st round palang ng playoff at marami ka pang pagdadaanan
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i don't know kung anong basis mo sa pagsasabing laging nasa taas ng standing ang team ni bill russell since in 1969, dahil sa injury, they barely qualified for the playoffs, finishing fourth in the East. The Lakers, won the West and were prohibitive favorites to finally win it all. Sa kasamaang palad eh natalo sila nila Russell sa game 7. In 1968, Boston overcame a 3–1 deficit against Philadelphia to once again arrive in the Finals. I dont think na ganun sila ka superior sa mga laro kasi usually sa mga finals eh dikit ang mga laban.
I want to share this Coleman' Play where it shows kung gaano siya kagaling dumepensa..
"During the Hawks' losing effort in the 1957 NBA Finals, Coleman became the unwitting victim of one of Bill Russell's greatest defensive plays. In the final game of the series, Coleman had an opportunity to clinch the Hawks' championship with a layup after receiving an outlet pass at midcourt. Bill Russell, who had been standing at his own baseline when the play began, ran the entire length of the floor and managed to block Coleman's shot, preserving the victory for the Celtics. "
ang format ng liga noon ay parang sa PBA may round robin tapos ang top teams may out right spot sa semis at quater finals depende sa standing ng team ang boston celtics ni bill russell ay palaging nasa taas ng standing which gives them an outright spot sa semis.... di tulad ng kay jordan na kahit ikaw ang no1 sa liga pwede ka pa rin ma eliminate sa 1st round palang ng playoff at marami ka pang pagdadaanan
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Para s akin Larry Bird, Dwayne Wade, Reggie Miller, Allan Caidic...
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MJ was definitely the best player for the last few decades, and maybe 10 years from today, the same can also be said of LBJ.
But if you look back at all the NBA greats who have played the game at completeness as a player ang paguusapan, masyado dumbfounding ang numbers and statistics ni Bill Russell. He was the core and leader of that dominant Boston team which is widely considered as the greatest dynasty in the NBA.
Bill Russell is my choice.
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Para s akin Larry Bird, Dwayne Wade, Reggie Miller, Allan Caidic...
bakit nasama si Caidic dito? pero The Triggerman is definitely the finest shooter Philippine basketball has ever produced.
Reggie Miller, maybe one of the greatest clutch player and one of the best shooter in the NBA but not the best ever.
Dwayne Wade, common, he's not the best, and among shooting guards he's not the best either. MJ and Kobe and even Clyde Drexler were ahead of him.
Larry Bird, offensively (specifically shooting the ball) and rebounding he's better than Lebron but overall aspect of basketball. maybe the Birdman is 2nd all-time among the best small forward in the NBA next to LBJ.
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alam ko center ang position ni birdman... LOL..
bakit nasama si Caidic dito? pero The Triggerman is definitely the finest shooter Philippine basketball has ever produced.
Reggie Miller, maybe one of the greatest clutch player and one of the best shooter in the NBA but not the best ever.
Dwayne Wade, common, he's not the best, and among shooting guards he's not the best either. MJ and Kobe and even Clyde Drexler were ahead of him.
Larry Bird, offensively (specifically shooting the ball) and rebounding he's better than Lebron but overall aspect of basketball. maybe the Birdman is 2nd all-time among the best small forward in the NBA next to LBJ.
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Michael Jordan...kasi sya inabutan ko...
don't know Bill Russell, pero siguro MJ pa din ako...kasi that time, una akong nanood ng games ng NBA...
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that's true.. because of this what we called media hype. but it doesn't justify that because of that, pwede na nating sabihing sya na nga. We are talking here extra ordinary talent and skills..
Even Phil Jackson select Bill Russel over MJ if he asked to start a team considering he handles MJ and he rely only statistically over Russell.
i agree with u sir..cgro nga kung pagbbasihan ung stats d hamak n mas angat c bill russel ky jordan..iba tlg ang nggawa ng media,pero d q kasi sir nkita ung mga laro ni bill russel nuon d p cgro aq pinanganak nun hahaha....naabutan q nung NBA nun was MJ,pmpnta q aq s bhay ng kaibigan q para makinuod lng nung finals, cgro Utah Jazz ung kalaban nila i just cant remember what year was that.
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alam ko center ang position ni birdman... LOL..
si Larry Bird ang original birdman at di ung nasa Heat na madaming tattoo.
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are u all saying MJ is some kinda overrated??thru media and merits given to him..di kc natin pede i pag compare sila kc mag kaka ibang era sila lumabas...
Eto lang sa kin Wilt and Russell are Centers they should be dominating
Magic and Bird both are 6'9'' they should be dominating
But MJ merely 6'6" how he dominated a not a game but an ERA is quite amazing..kung di xa siguro umalis nung 94 at 95 siguro 8 rings ang Bulls
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Who is comparing who? We are looking sir for the greatest person who played basketball. We must find ways how to do it. Anything that matters to determine the greatness of the individual in order to find out. Either, talent, skills, rings, accomplishment, statistics, worthiness in his team, leadership, etc..
Individual greatness cannot be measured by the position he played but the impact he brings to his team. In every aspect i mention above, it only leads to greatness of Bill Russell.
Additional Information: As one of just two who holds the record for the most championships won by an athlete in a North American sports league, the NBA announced that the NBA Finals MVP trophy would be named the Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award in honor of Russell greatness.
FYI sir, The greatest dynasty in NBA history is Boston Celtics dynasty anchored by no other than Bill Russell.
11 rings in just 13 seasons..
are u all saying MJ is some kinda overrated??thru media and merits given to him..di kc natin pede i pag compare sila kc mag kaka ibang era sila lumabas...
Eto lang sa kin Wilt and Russell are Centers they should be dominating
Magic and Bird both are 6'9'' they should be dominating
But MJ merely 6'6" how he dominated a not a game but an ERA is quite amazing..kung di xa siguro umalis nung 94 at 95 siguro 8 rings ang Bulls
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So Mr Dimmu Borgir so are u saying #'s determines ones greatness?? un ba??
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There's so many factors to determine the greatness of individual. Numbers is included but not limited to that one. We have leadership, team worthiness (this will be determine if what the status of the team before he join and the status of the team when he left that team), talent, accomplishments and most important rings.
When we talk about numbers, surely Wilt Chamberlain is the man, scoring 100 points in a single game, pulling 55 rebounds in one game, average 50 points in a season and so on. But his individual achievement is shadowed by the fact that he won only championship twice in his 14 years NBA career.. This is due to the fact that Chamberlain is individualist not a team player like Russell.
So Mr Dimmu Borgir so are u saying #'s determines ones greatness?? un ba??
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siguro ganun nga sir Borgir, but ung influx ng talents nung 50's and 60's era NBA were not that much on 80's and 90's even 00's..Russell and Chamberlain's talents are way ahead than the others and they had the luxury of having great teammates so the game for them is much easier..
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Again, your analysis is baseless.
This is where team impact or team worthiness is calculated. One factor in determining the greatness of a player..
Lets not talk about Wilt for he has only two rings and played in different teams.
Let's talk about Jordan who spent mostly of his career in Chicago and Bill who played only in Boston during his 13 years in the NBA.
This is my answer to your analysis.
Yes, Russell had great players. Any dynasty had great players. Before Russell was drafted, the Celtics couldnt win with 4 HOFs. Russell came in and took them to the Championship. Who was the only constant in the 11 championship run? Bill Russell. The year before Russell retired, the Celtics won the Championship. The year after he retired, the Celtics missed the playoffs. They went from Champions to also-rans.
Jordan was drafted in 1984, but only in 1991 won the championship.
And when Jordan retired in 1993 (first retirement), the Bulls make it to the play offs led by Scottie Pippen.
So who do you think have a better team mates between the two?
siguro ganun nga sir Borgir, but ung influx ng talents nung 50's and 60's era NBA were not that much on 80's and 90's even 00's..Russell and Chamberlain's talents are way ahead than the others and they had the luxury of having great teammates so the game for them is much easier..
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sa sinabi mo indviduality pa rin ung tinitingnan??
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base lang naman ito sa aking opinion i'm not stepping to anyone's thoughts...are we comparing?? yes we are, di kc maiiwasan un...
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Not at all. Basketball is a five man game.. So we must have to assess everything...
sa sinabi mo indviduality pa rin ung tinitingnan??
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for me its simple.. wilt was dominating.. russell was the best in his position.. but MJ changed your perception about the sports.. lets agree on one thing.. all of the world knew the other greats who played basketball because MJ made it into a HYPE.. is MJ greater than BILL.. stat and skills wise NO.. but because of MJ's IMPACT to the GAME.. No one can DENY that MJ is the GOAT..
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i will disagree on one thing. It's media & products endorsement who makes NBA hype not Jordan..
Dude, look at today, other's saying LBJ is the GOAT, even before he won the second championship..
Are you kidding?
for me its simple.. wilt was dominating.. russell was the best in his position.. but MJ changed your perception about the sports.. lets agree on one thing.. all of the world knew the other greats who played basketball because MJ made it into a HYPE.. is MJ greater than BILL.. stat and skills wise NO.. but because of MJ's IMPACT to the GAME.. No one can DENY that MJ is the GOAT..
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mga sir ano ba talaga pinagtatalunan dito?
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Actually wala naman Sir..
Medyo natutuwa lang akong i-rebutt yung mga nagsasabing GOAT daw si Jordan. Para kasi sa akin, di sya ang pinakamagaling...
Exchanging of ideas lang sir..
mga sir ano ba talaga pinagtatalunan dito?
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ano ba ibig sabihin ng greastest player sa inyo??
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Actually wala naman Sir..
Medyo natutuwa lang akong i-rebutt yung mga nagsasabing GOAt daw si Jordan. Para kasi sa akin, rdi sya ang pinakamagaling...
Exchanging of ideas lang sir..
But you dont have to agree or disagree with everyone's opinion as per stated in your title.. "Who is the best for us".
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Tama ka dyan Sir..
Di ko naman dapat kontrahin yung mga gusto nyo.
Kaya lang as comment goes by, naingganyo akong i rebutt ang mga sagot nyo para mas mahimay kung ano talagang reason behind your selection using facts.
Napansin ko din kasi na yung ibang reason ay di umaayon sa kung anong totoo.
Di naman ito sa nagmamagaling ako or what. Exchanging ideas lang, malay mo may alam kayong di ko alam at may alam din akong di nyo alam..
At least naliliwanagan tayo.
But you dont have to agree or disagree with everyone's opinion as per stated in your title.. "Who is the best for us".
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I still think it's still MJ, kobe is a close second(LBJ needs to win more to be compared to MJ and Kobe). I don't believe in stats. what MJ brings to the table is more to stats.
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But you dont have to agree or disagree with everyone's opinion as per stated in your title.. "Who is the best for us".
This sorted it out. Nice one mate.
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MJ, hands down. totoong complete player. confidence supreme. LBJ, i still question his psyche in close and important games. MJ win or lose will take that shot, LBJ will pass to open man in first opportunity. just saying.
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Michael Jordan. Sya lang ata nagdala ng bulls noon kasi nung nawala sya wala rin silang championship.
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over confidence simply means "buwaya" like KB who is a scorer and individualist..
don't forget to remember that basketball is a teams game..
everyone must be a team player especially in crucial time. that is the essence of basketball..
that is evident in Russell Era....
MJ, hands down. totoong complete player. confidence supreme. LBJ, i still question his psyche in close and important games. MJ win or lose will take that shot, LBJ will pass to open man in first opportunity. just saying.
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for me its michael jordan.. its just because of the impact he brought to the game.. and i think his the only player whose better than his hype...
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Again I stand by what I said.. MJ is the GOAT.. regardless of stats or trophies.. no disrespect to others..but watching him play during those days made us want to play the game.. aminin natin when we were young we tried to immitate his moves.. not russels move..nor wilts doiminance..not evens magics flash and brilliance..to have that impact makes the guy great.. and for me the best..
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Michael Jordan is the GOAT!
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michael j the da man still the best. 15pt. line dunkshot. hehehe
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para sa akin bro, si michael jordan pa rin
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Sa mga di familiar sa heroics ni Michael Jordan, panoorin nyo yung 1997 NBA Finals Bulls vs Jazz, Game 5 "Flu Game". May stomach flu na si Jordan pero tinalo pa rin ang Utah sa home court ng Jazz!
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This is a classic Manong Dimmu's "exchanging of ideas" hahahahahaha
Like what Manong Dimmu will always point out na MJ's not even versatile :
As far as galing, i dont think so na ganun sya kagaling, Di sya versatile katulad ni Magic Johnson na pwedeng maglaro from Center to point guard. Michael Jordan is not even effective in playing point guard position. He can play only SG and SF position..
You really don't need to play multiple positions to be considered versatile. Versatility is what a player can do offensively and defensively. Evident na agad yan sa stats. Kaya i really don't see the point of that. Magic is 6'8 kaya he had the option to play center occasionally nung na injured si Jabbar.
Versatile players? Andyan sila Bird, MJ, Oscar Robertson, Jason Kidd, LBJ at marami pa. Unnecessary for them to play center just to rebound or block shots, but they all can score, pass, rebound, play defense consistently.
Mas safe na may category by era yung best ever kasi malaki yung difference talaga.
In respect for Russell and Wilt's era, madaming HOF dyan. But I disagree na "fewer teams, mas stacked ang mga quality players sa team" kasi kung titignan nyo yung minutes per game nila Russell at Wilt at iba pa halos 45 mpg e. Kung stacked yan dapat lesser mpg. ang mga stars nila.
Pero both of them are game changers dahil na rin yung talent nila ay ahead of other players sa era nila. Kaya they dominated. Also FYI Wilt can do fade away shots. Ibang level din yung energy ni Wilt to average 50 ppg. at na take advantage nya kasi yun dahil sa size and athleticism which is uncommon sa era na yan.
Notable Players Per Era
60s: Bill Russell = Best Defensive player of that era and probably of all time.
Wilt Chamberlain = Dominated the era offensively. Biggest and most athletic center of that era.
Bob Cousy = Best PG IMO in tha era.
Jerry West = Clutch at NBA LOGO lol
Oscar Robertson = All around, versatile guard.
Elgin Baylor = One of the best scorer and rebounder of that era at 6'5
70's era : Kareem Abdul Jabbar = Unstoppable
Julios "Dr. J" Erving = most athletic of that era, without him probably walang MJ, kobe, lebron etc.
Bill Walton = great center in his prime
Walt Frazier = best PG in the 70s
Bob Lanier, George IceMan Gervin, Pete Maravich.
80's Era and 90s Era. Madami na dyan, most of us are familiar na. MJ, Johnson, Bird, Hakeem, David Robinson.
We're actually convinced that MJ is the GOAT pero let's consider other HOF. Lahat na mention ko, they revolutionized NBA because of their talent. They have multiple championships. Na witness lang natin yung airness ni MJ kaya lockdown tayo sa kanya.
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MICHAEL JORDAN!
Offense, defense, basketball iq, leadership, athleticism, clutch,etc.
For me he's d best.
Sa dream team documentary, kahit sila larry bird and magic, nabilib tlga sa kanya.
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it means u didnt understand what im really trying to say. Im not saying that Jordan is not versatile, what im saying is he is not like of Lebron or Magic that can play multiple positions. You name it, and LBJ and Magic can do it on the court unlike Jordan who is limited to two or 3 positions. LBJ shows this versatility of a complete player in their last game series against the bigger Indiana Pacers who is anchored of a 7'2" center.
In the playoffs, with Chris Bosh injured and the Heat lacking enough quality fours and fives, James has spent a good deal of time at the four spot against a very large Indiana team. People claim that Miami's roster has too many holes to win a championship as currently constructed, but as long as they have James, they only need to have their stars playing at high level to win it all.
And if your saying that because Jordan lack the size to play 4 or 5, THINK TWICE because Sir Charles Barkley standing at 6'6" but considered to be at 64" played C, PF, SF positions and he excelled. Even today, look at Chuck Hayes, standing at 6'6", is playing at center position. Even De Juan Blair at 6'7 is at center position.
So what are u talking about height?
U are not doing your homework properly before posting it here..
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Manong dimmu wala talaga makaka intindi sa iyo kung ikaw lang nakaka intindi sa sinabi mo. Favorite term mo talaga yang "it means u didnt understand" sometimes try mo ikaw naman mag understand sa mga nagcocomment dito. Yung term mo kasi ng versatility ay playing multiple positions and then biglang not trying to say na that Jordan is not versatile? Kakasabi mo lang na di sya versatile kahit sa ibang thread dito sa website hahaha magulo ka kausap minsan manong. :-)
Doi, di ako pinanganak kahapon the way you commented, feeling mo ikaw lang nakakaalam niyan. Alam na natin may mga multiple positions, kaya nga may term na combo guard, swingman, forward-center, point-forward, kasi may mga players na sadyang di comfortable maglaro sa position na ideal for their height. Ofcourse all respect for Barkley at naging effective yung game nya. Also Iverson is the best example for a combo guard and considerably one of the best 6'0 scorers kasi idol nya si Jordan, so he wanted to play like MJ despite his height. Jordan is a natural scorer, ideal sa height nya, why would he even bother to play PF for the Bulls kung meron naman Horace grant or Rodman to rely on that position? He didn't have to play that position pero instead, he learned to become more effective scorer with his post-up game, whether it's on low or high post, that's versatility as a scorer na agad.
It's simple for Jordan, he doesn't have to play PF-C to impress people if he can score anywhere, and do everything on both ends of the floor.
In Lebron's case, obviously nung napadpad sya sa Miami, he really have to play PF position kasi they lack decent big man, kudos to him! Chris Bosh nga ayaw maging Center dati if you remember. Napilitan lang kasi no choice. Then biglang nauso yung small-line up to take their quickness advantage against bigger teams, favorite line-up yan ni Spoelstra.
Bakit nung nasa Cavs sya, bihira siya maglaro ng PF position? Kasi may Varejao at Ilgauskas, then may Shaq at Ben Wallace. Instead naging point-forward ang position/role nya dun.
Take note pag na discuss ang versatility of a basketball player, it means what he can do on both ends of the floor, not just being able to play multiple positions. He can stay as a PG all the way of the game pero he can rebound and score. In today's ERA maalala mo dyan si Rondo, he's a natural point guard, but he's an all-around and versatile player. Pero di mo sya makikita playing forward position. So yung point mo na kayang maglaro ng multiple positions kagaya nila Lebron at Magic para matawag na versatile kagaya nilang dalawa...well hahahahaha :-\
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Manong dimmu wala talaga makaka intindi sa iyo kung ikaw lang nakaka intindi sa sinabi mo. Favorite term mo talaga yang "it means u didnt understand" sometimes try mo ikaw naman mag understand sa mga nagcocomment dito. Yung term mo kasi ng versatility ay playing multiple positions and then biglang not trying to say na that Jordan is not versatile? Kakasabi mo lang na di sya versatile kahit sa ibang thread dito sa website hahaha magulo ka kausap minsan manong. :-)
Doi, di ako pinanganak kahapon the way you commented, feeling mo ikaw lang nakakaalam niyan. Alam na natin may mga multiple positions, kaya nga may term na combo guard, swingman, forward-center, point-forward, kasi may mga players na sadyang di comfortable maglaro sa position na ideal for their height. Ofcourse all respect for Barkley at naging effective yung game nya. Also Iverson is the best example for a combo guard and considerably one of the best 6'0 scorers kasi idol nya si Jordan, so he wanted to play like MJ despite his height. Jordan is a natural scorer, ideal sa height nya, why would he even bother to play PF for the Bulls kung meron naman Horace grant or Rodman to rely on that position? He didn't have to play that position pero instead, he learned to become more effective scorer with his post-up game, whether it's on low or high post, that's versatility as a scorer na agad.
It's simple for Jordan, he doesn't have to play PF-C to impress people if he can score anywhere, and do everything on both ends of the floor.
In Lebron's case, obviously nung napadpad sya sa Miami, he really have to play PF position kasi they lack decent big man, kudos to him! Chris Bosh nga ayaw maging Center dati if you remember. Napilitan lang kasi no choice. Then biglang nauso yung small-line up to take their quickness advantage against bigger teams, favorite line-up yan ni Spoelstra.
Bakit nung nasa Cavs sya, bihira siya maglaro ng PF position? Kasi may Varejao at Ilgauskas, then may Shaq at Ben Wallace. Instead naging point-forward ang position/role nya dun.
Take note pag na discuss ang versatility of a basketball player, it means what he can do on both ends of the floor, not just being able to play multiple positions. He can stay as a PG all the way of the game pero he can rebound and score. In today's ERA maalala mo dyan si Rondo, he's a natural point guard, but he's an all-around and versatile player. Pero di mo sya makikita playing forward position. So yung point mo na kayang maglaro ng multiple positions kagaya nila Lebron at Magic para matawag na versatile kagaya nilang dalawa...well hahahahaha :-\
very well said sir parehas tayo ang pagkakaintindi ko ng versatility di sa dami ng position mong linalaro kundi pagiging magaling sa mga basic skills sa basketball like scoring, rebounding at passing no doubt na natural scorer si MJ averaging close to 30ppg, decent rebounder din siya sa kanyang position avg. close to 6rpg, at magaling rin na passer avg. close to 5apg ayon yan kay mr. google..
magaling rin naman siyang dumepensa di mo siya ma e-exploit kapag may mismatch at napakagaling rin na lockdown defender
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If you are limited to two or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court..
Do i need to explain the basic difference between center, pf, sf, sg and pg?
This is not about passing, rebounding or scoring. Every player in the court can do that thing..
Di ko naman feeling na ako lang ang nakakalaalam nyan. ang Feeling ko lang ngayon mo nalaman na meron palang wilt, russell na naglaro sa nba.
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If you are limited to two or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court..
Do i need to explain the basic difference between center, pf, sf, sg and pg?
This is not about passing, rebounding or scoring. Every player in the court can do that thing..
Di ko naman feeling na ako lang ang nakakalaalam nyan. ang Feeling ko lang ngayon mo nalaman na meron palang wilt, russell na naglaro sa nba.
LOOOOOLS!!! EPIC FAIL ka Manong! Hahaha i'm talking to your Big Ego, you bigot.
Hahah LOL stats will mostly reflect on what you do on the court, Pwede ba namang Gusto maglaro ni Lebron as PF or C pero di sya magrerebound, masabi lang na "I wanna do everything on the court but me no rebound!
Ma aacknowledge na you can do everything on the court by padding your stats.
Nagbasa ka ba? Kaya nga perfect example si Rondo 6'1, PG, everywhere on the court. He's padding stats consistently with occasional triple-double. He's crashing the board kahit mas malalaki yung opponents nya at may decent C and forwards siyang teammate. He even defended lebron james ng maayos despite the height difference. He didn't have to play forward position to did all of that. So dyan pa lang na DEBUNK na yung claim mo na "If you are limited to two or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court.. "
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If you are limited to two or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court..
wala sa position ang pagiging versatile ng isang player basic skills ng basketball ang usapan dito pag magaling ka dyan sa tatlo dyan ka matatawag na versatile di kailangan maging C or PF para lang kumuha ng rebound di mo rin kailangan maging guard pasa mag facilitate ng play its playing in your natural position and getting the job done that matters
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Once u are in the court, u are expected to shoot, rebound or pass the ball. That is basic basketball. This will not make u as a complete player otherwise all basketball players are complete players..
Tama ka when u said na di naman talaga kailangan (e.g) ni Jordan na maglaro ng Center or PF, dahil meron namang mga natural players in every position.
But sometimes it is a big advantage if u know how to play this position as shown by Magic Johnson in 1980 NBA Finals.. (Jabbar is not playing here because of an injury)
"In Game 6, Magic Johnson played what may have been the greatest game of his career. Playing on the road in Philadelphia, Magic (a 6'9" point guard) started the game at center and eventually played all 5 positions in a dominating performance. "
Johnson is switching from one position to another depending sa pangangailangan ng team. Now, let's take Rondo as ur example, rondo can shoot, can assist, and rebound pero yung inside presence of a big man eh wala sya.. Can ROndo guard a center? of course not..
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Rondo can guard a center! He and his coach choose not to. Tanga ba sia, ang liit liit nia babantayan nia ung malaki.
Basta MJ pa din ang the best!
He can do everything. He plays baseball, golf, poker.,etc. Yan ang vesatile.
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Can ROndo guard a center? of course not..
hmmm.. if this argument is the premise of what versatility means?
Then I can safely conclude that...
"Taller/bigger men can be a versatile player while the smaller one cannot no matter how they did well in court." ;D
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That is the premise of "u can do everything in the court".
hmmm.. if this argument is the premise of what versatility means?
Then I can safely conclude that...
"Taller/bigger men can be a versatile player while the smaller one cannot no matter how they did well in court." ;D
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"In Game 6, Magic Johnson played what may have been the greatest game of his career. Playing on the road in Philadelphia, Magic (a 6'9" point guard) started the game at center and eventually played all 5 positions in a dominating performance. "
Johnson is switching from one position to another depending sa pangangailangan ng team. Now, let's take Rondo as ur example, rondo can shoot, can assist, and rebound pero yung inside presence of a big man eh wala sya.. Can ROndo guard a center? of course not..
Yung match-up naman ni Magic as a Center vs 76ers during that finals ay si Caldwell Jones 6-11 217 lbs and Darryl Dawkins 6-11 251 lbs. (Tallest players for 76ers) Those guys are not All-Star caliber player, kaya talaga ni Magic yung match-up, no wonder confident yung coach to let him play. But kudos to him kasi rookie sya at that time.
Rondo 6'1 guard at may inside presence? Poor argument there manong, as if Rondo's initiative to guard Lebron effectively isn't enough for you. Yung kay Magic ilang inches lang ang difference niya sa average height ng centers kaya pwede, pero hindi siya nakilala for defending big man on a daily basis, but instead through his play making. Nakalatag na lahat sa iyo all you have to do is acknowledge.
Please stop giving us poor argument like a 6'1 PG will have to guard a Center just to prove a point that he's an all around and can do everything. :-\ You're making yourself look bad. Really...
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I am just talking about the ability of Johnson to play the center position. And im just explaining to you kung anong advantage meron pag marunong kang maglaro ng multiple position. kasi sa umpisa pa lang di mo naiintindihan kung anong advantage nito sa isang player. It doesn't matter kung sino ang ka match up nya.. Lulusot ka pa eh ibang dahilan na naman ang gamit mo.
Do u mean the word "complete" and "can DO everything on the floor?
Rondo guarding a center and his inside presence is just an example kung ano ang di nya kayang gawin sa loob ng court.. Then how u will become "a player that can do everything on the floor" kung meron kang di kayang gawin inside? Simple logic but u cannot understand..
I hope u can afford to buy some brain if u don't care to research further.
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"Yung match-up naman ni Magic as a Center vs 76ers during that finals ay si Caldwell Jones 6-11 217 lbs and Darryl Dawkins 6-11 251 lbs. (Tallest players for 76ers) Those guys are not All-Star caliber player, kaya talaga ni Magic yung match-up, no wonder confident yung coach to let him play. But kudos to him kasi rookie sya at that time."
Analyze first what are u are posting because if we will follow ur kind of argument. It's the same thinking that Karl Malone will outplayed Steve Kerr once malone played PG because Malone is an all star caliber and steve kerr is not.. Di ba nakakatawa? di ka lang matatawa kung di mo nakukuha ang logic ng sinasabi mo..
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Ikaw yung di maka intindi, given na kasi yung mga height nila, given na yung advantage and disadvantage nila. Despite the disadvantages (example Height and size) ng mga player na binigay ko, they're known for being a versatile player Ano Mr. Bigot di pa rin magrasp ng utak mo?
Hehehehe Malone vs Steve Kerr...Flawless logic (sarcasm) hehe. I was talking about the size match up ni Magic Johnson vs those Centers ng Sixers. Binigay mo yung Position ni Malone at Steve Kerr sino ngayon nagmukang engot hehehe. Asan na yung logic mo, kaya nga binigay ko yung height ng mga centers, di mo pala na gets, ngayon kaya nalagay din dyan na di all-star caliber yung mga players na yun kasi hypothetically what if those centers are all-star calibers like Olajuwon, pwede idominate yan ng given center player ng Sixers kung nasa ganyang All-Star level sya/sila lalo na wala si Jabbar. Pero hindi diba? Kaya nakakita pa rin ng opportunity yung Lakers and Magic Johnson dahil alam nila kaya yung match-up ng mga players! Given na rin kasi sa height advantage ni Magic.
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Hmmm Michael Jordan siguro para sakin...
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Now it seems na you understand what is the meaning "of a player that can do anything on the floor" since di ka na sumagot sa sinabi ko. Hay kailangan ko pa plang idetalye lahat bago mo maintindihan. Di pala uso ang logic sayo..
If u cannot get the logic of Malone and Kerr then so be it, after all most of my argument ay di mo naman makuha ang logic. (Look at my above post, it so simple yet it seems u cannot understand until i explained it further)
Kung di mo makuha ang mga sinasabi ko then so be it..
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c-hakeem olajuwon
pf-tim duncan/charles barkley
sf-lebron james
sg-michael jordan
pg-magic johnson
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Manong, people here gives up on talking to you because you're a bigot. You like making people look stupid on your fallacies.
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for me.. Michael Jordan is the best.. heheh
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ikaw ang gumagawa kaya ka nagmumukhang istupido.. i respect u that's why hindi ko na masyadong pinapaliwanag dahil ang pagkakaintidi ko, lahat ng tao ay may common sense. Pang iinsulto na kasi para sa akin yung idetalye ko pa sa kaliit liitan yung punto ko kasi alam ko may isip ka naman na pwedeng mag analisa at mag isip ng mga sinasabi ko..
Pero nagkamali pala ako. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na may mga tao palang katulad mo. Na kailangang tratuhing istupido para lang maintindihan ang sinasabi ko..
Manong, people here gives up on talking to you because you're a bigot. You like making people look stupid on your fallacies.
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masyadong obvious naman yan :'( :'( :'( :'(
the one and only HIS AIRNESS >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Si naismith ang best ever. Sya nakaimbento ng basketball eh. :)
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ikaw ang gumagawa kaya ka nagmumukhang istupido.. i respect u that's why hindi ko na masyadong pinapaliwanag dahil ang pagkakaintidi ko, lahat ng tao ay may common sense. Pang iinsulto na kasi para sa akin yung idetalye ko pa sa kaliit liitan yung punto ko kasi alam ko may isip ka naman na pwedeng mag analisa at mag isip ng mga sinasabi ko..
Pero nagkamali pala ako. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na may mga tao palang katulad mo. Na kailangang tratuhing istupido para lang maintindihan ang sinasabi ko..
Look manong, from the very start that I joined this thread, I wanted clarifications on how are we going to define a versatile player kasi I believe it adds attributes on who's the best nba player ever who played the game regardless of their size and number of positions that they can play. Even the smallest player on the court was already tagged as a versatile player, pero you failed to recognized it or I don't know just don't want to recognize it kasi may sarili kang prejudice about it, ang dami na namin dito sinubukan yun pero you shut most of them down. . Pero from the start we were not in the same page of the conversation and we both failed to recognized it during the heated debate.
Plus pag may dine defend ka na topic, regardless on how small or important the detail is sana iexplain mo yung side mo para walang magmukang stupid dito whether it would be us or you. Expect people to ask a lot of things, kung ikaw lang nakaka intindi sa punto mo, then you already failed. You're a TS just be cool.
P.S.
Ngayon ko lang nabasa, I was out for a mid-year vacation. Cheers!
Di ko nabasa yung end part ng reply mo, meron kang attitude problem manong sana di ka mabugbog sa real world the way you act or reply dito. No wonder.
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teka ka lng pwd bng pakisagot ang tanong ko???..anu b ang hnd kaya gawin ni rondo??..i mean does everything in the court defend rebound score??,,kaht kaya nya gawin un hnd pa rin sya versatile??..i confused tlg sa discussion hehe
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Best Ever? Michael Jordan. His Bulls would have made it 7 years straight if he did not temporarily retired.
Lebron James got the tools to be the best, but he still need to build his legacy
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teka ka lng pwd bng pakisagot ang tanong ko???..anu b ang hnd kaya gawin ni rondo??..i mean does everything in the court defend rebound score??,,kaht kaya nya gawin un hnd pa rin sya versatile??..i confused tlg sa discussion hehe
Sir according to Manong Dimmu, if you can't defend the low-post assuming you're a PG and a 6'1 like Rondo and can't do it against bigger centers/power forward, (imagine the huge size disadvantage for a 6'1 PG). You're not versatile enough for him or simply you can't do anything on the court no matter how good you are in the court padding stats (triple-doubles) and doing it consistently to contribute for your team to win.
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Please walang mag-aaway dito, isa pang mainit na patutsada ang i-comments nyo pacencyahan tyo.
Learn respect each other's opinion at walang magbibitaw ng di magandang salita please....
Just always remember "you don't need to win or you cannot win every argument"
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Sir according to Manong Dimmu, if you can't defend the low-post assuming you're a PG and a 6'1 like Rondo and can't do it against bigger centers/power forward, (imagine the huge size disadvantage for a 6'1 PG). You're not versatile enough for him or simply you can't do anything on the court no matter how good you are in the court padding stats (triple-doubles) and doing it consistently to contribute for your team to win.
ahw??well thats a very unfair assesment....
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Sir according to Manong Dimmu, if you can't defend the low-post assuming you're a PG and a 6'1 like Rondo and can't do it against bigger centers/power forward, (imagine the huge size disadvantage for a 6'1 PG). You're not versatile enough for him or simply you can't do anything on the court no matter how good you are in the court padding stats (triple-doubles) and doing it consistently to contribute for your team to win.
oo nga sir sino namang matinong coach na e ma-match up niya ang PG niya center on lowpost? hahaha
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LAST REMINDER:
Please avoid off topic comments & replies.
Also avoid side comments , just answer the question/topic
thanks
With all due respect Mr. Moderator, I think we're still tackling the topic of this thread, and with that as I said earlier, versatility is a necessary skill for a great basketball player which I believe is a subtopic for this thread, di po natin maiiwasan magkaroon ng subtopic. Also the thread started opened the chance of discussion of versatility in comparison between Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. I followed-through the sub-topic to make an interesting discussion, so that I and other users/forumers may learn from each other's point of view. I would like to apologize in behalf of the users/forumers, and the T.S. during the events when we failed to cool our heads down. We don't mean to offend anybody. We just want clarifications and closure to the subtopic so that future forumers/users may learn from our insight.
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Lebron James.
Will go back to this topic after 20 years when James' legacy is complete.
Sent from my coffee maker.
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With all due respect Mr. Moderator, I think we're still tackling the topic of this thread, and with that as I said earlier, versatility is a necessary skill for a great basketball player which I believe is a subtopic for this thread, di po natin maiiwasan magkaroon ng subtopic. Also the thread started opened the chance of discussion of versatility in comparison between Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. I followed-through the sub-topic to make an interesting discussion, so that I and other users/forumers may learn from each other's point of view. I would like to apologize in behalf of the users/forumers, and the T.S. during the events when we failed to cool our heads down. We don't mean to offend anybody. We just want clarifications and closure to the subtopic so that future forumers/users may learn from our insight.
This again will trigger the TS to reply on this comment. If you want sent private message to discuss. In the first place you started it MR. OZYMANDIAS when you said bigot to DIMMU.
Now you are trying to explain that this is normal and a subtopic of the thread?
DI naman tatagal or aabot ng ganyan kung di ka careless sa mga comments mo. SO please stop it. Next comment/reply regarding that issue will be deleted and you will be warned again that may lead to account suspension.
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How ironic that the first time i defended myself from this kind of people, i've been penalized..
But look at the others, they keep in insulting other people and they just get warning from mods..
Moral Lesson:
It is OK for the Mods to insult other people, they will just repeatedly gave you a warning.
Than to defend yourself from insults & other personal attack.. Because once you do that, u will be penalized heavily. And in severe cases, your account will be ban forever...
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Back to topic please
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according to kareem.... the best player is....
While most current NBA fans give Michael Jordan the nod in the hypothetical “best player ever” competition, but a lot of that is simply due to timing — most hoops fans alive today saw him play, or have heard the mythology of his era at least.
Basketball is a game that is hard to compare across eras and generations and most of us didn’t see the greats of the 1960s or 1970s play. Those that did have the same bias for the players of their generation as people who came of age in the 1990s do for Jordan.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was on ESPN’s Collin Cowherd radio show on Thursday and was asked about the greatest — and he went with the first major star he ever played with (transcription via LakersNation).
“LeBron is awesome, MJ was awesome — but I think Oscar Robinson would have kicked them both in the behind,” said Abdul-Jabbar when asked about James and Jordan. “Absolutely. Oscar was awesome. He had brains. [...] He had all the skills.
“He could rebound and box out guys four and six inches taller than him. He was ruggedly built. He had fluid, quickness, and just understood the game. No flair, he just got the job done every night. Who’s going to average double figures in points, a##ists and rebounds?”
I don’t think anybody sane questions that Oscar Robertson belongs among the all-time greats. He is a perfect example of why the “rings” argument is a poor judge of a player — he carried bad teams pretty far, not winning until he was past his prime but Kareem joined him in Milwaukee. Robertson AVERAGED a triple double 1962, he was ridiculously good. He should be front and center in the Hall of Fame. But he also played in an era when the pace of the game was much faster, which boost his per-game numbers.
How does he stack up to Jordan and LeBron? I don’t know. I wasn’t alive when Robertson was at his peak and the grainy Youtube footage of him likely does not do his game justice.
It’s easy to say Jordan is the best or LeBron could challenge them, or that Magic Johnson belongs in the conversation, because we saw them — not in an unbiased way, but we saw them. We can form conclusions we just can’t with Robertson.
By the way, the guy always shortchanged in the GOAT conversation in Kareem himself.
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MJ pa rin, lahat ng aspect near the top sya, stats, rings