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We condemn the "MAMASAPANO MASSACRE"

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Offline cupcake

on: January 29, 2015, 08:55:55 AM
How come the President cannot CONDEMN what happened to our fallen heroes at Mamasapano Maguindanao?

National day of Mourning is not enough!
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We condemn the "MAMASAPANO MASSACRE"
« on: January 29, 2015, 08:55:55 AM »

Offline dhie221

Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 11:20:32 AM
This is stupid!! ano magagawa ng National Day of mournig! hustisya kailangan nila! Itigil na yan peace aggreement sa MILF at BIFF na yan! mga terorista yan


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Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
paano magkaka hustisya, ang mismong presidente "Commander in Chief" tinutulak parin ang peace talk. ang mismong presidente ayaw aminin na ang ka- "peace talk" niya ang may kasalanan sa nangyari sa PNP-SAF. Sorry, pero ang stupid ng presidente na yan.. wala man lang nasabi para sa mga namatayan, wala man lang ka amor-amor. puro pulitika parin!.. take note - nag back track pa siya, 2002 - congressman pa lamang siya (sabay ngiti).

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dumb voters = dumb elected officials

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Re: We condemn the "MAMASAPANO MASSACRE"
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 11:29:28 AM »

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Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 05:29:22 PM
40+ dead bodies of our own.. serving the entire nation for National Threat and security..

my condolonces....

on PNOY speech

another blame game as usual. Eto ang forte ng presidente na binoto nyo. Puro sisi dun o dito hanggan sa wala naman talaga nareresolve sa issue. I dont believe na 'misecounter' ang nanyare dahil based on some report, pabalik na daw sila ng tinambangan ang mga eto. Meron hidden agenda ang operation na to. And of course, alam ng Commander-in-Chief to. Malabo naman na hindi nya alam ang operation na to. Lahat ng authorities na kaalyado ni PNOY, they misaligned the trend and pointing to 'misencounter' theory para hindi magalit sa kanya yun mga kaalyado nya sa MILF.There are so many unclear scenario as of now in PNOY speech, kung sabagay, pag nagigipit ang Administrasyon nya lagi walang linaw sa mga speech nya.Playing safe kumbaga.

Mas pinapaniwalaan ko pa yun theory na lumalabas na balak nilang solohin ni PNOY yun reward money na 5 million dollar

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Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 04:13:14 AM
To be honest, this is one story that I don't know much about. I hear about it here and there and some headlines sa mga websites pero that's the extent of my knowledge. I refrain from watching the news, specially local ones cause I find that it's too negative. That aside, based on what limited stuff I know, I agree that we should stand by our guys.

I fear that the morale would be even lower because of what happened. Our government is a sissy, and a bully. If you abide by the law and if maliit na tao ka lang, the government would kick your teeth in, kagaya ng BIR na pahirap lalo na sa mga maliliit na tao. You follow he rules and the law, yet you have to fall in such a long line and wait long hours just to receive a basic service, provided that the guy you're talking to behind that window doesn't decide to powerplay and pahirapan ka pa. I see this happen time and time again in government agencies na hitik na hitik sa mga nag power tripping imbeciles na walang gustong pag tripan kundi maliliit.

On the other hand, if you are a Napoles who steals a whole lot of dough gets to "surrender" in Malacanang first and get such a VIP treatment.

If nasunod ka, parang ang trato sayo eh napakaliit, and yet if you have arms, or money and even actively fight this government, you are appeased and kung ano anong perks ang mahihita mo cause the government is shaking in its boots just to please you, and projecting it's ridiculous image of promoting peace. Peace ba o cowardice? Peace nga siguro. We even let a foreign country arbitrate over a domestic situation. Wow, ain't that a hoot. Why is Malaysia in the picture again? No wonder China thinks we are a joke, hindi ba?

I read from fayt's post that this guy is starting the blame game again.. Damn shameless if you ask me.

The guy decides to talk tough in front the Pope because of his hair.. Wow so great yo so edgy, much brave, very stronk; you sure should him. Eh? You talk about the church being mum in GMA's time, well where's her trial now? You're term is almost over hindi ba? The guy likes to talk tough specially when in front of peaceful and docile folks yet the same guy wouldn't show some balls when it comes to real threats and real enemies of the Filipino people.

Erap has a strong stance against these guys, I don't agree with Erap much but I do agree with him this time.
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Re: We condemn the "MAMASAPANO MASSACRE"
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Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 10:30:19 AM
In my personal opinion, if we want a long lasting peace in Mindanao, it must be through peace negotiation, an all out war is just for "pogi points" but it will not bring lasting peace. Let us remember, Abu Sayyaf, has just few hundreds armed combatants on their rank but after several years, the AFP cannot eliminate them. The same case with NPA and other armed groups..  IF AFP cannot eliminate this smaller groups, what is the chance that they can eliminate this MILF with 11,000 strong combatants?   

Below is the main reason why it is better to still push for the peace negotiation than declaring an all out war against MILF. This analysis is based on the declaration of an all out war by Joseph Estrada on year 2000.

Disclaimer: This is not my article or personal opinion.

“The government has captured the hive but the angry bees have escaped and are regrouping to attack.”

A Moro National Liberation Front official said right after the fall of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front’s Camp Abubakar following President Joseph Estrada’s  All-Out War in 2000

To get an estimate of the costs, let’s look at the All-Out War that then President Joseph Estrada launched in the year 2000.

Ordinarily, the cost of this kind of internal conflict is shrouded in secrecy.
But in 2005, the United Nations sponsored a ground-breaking study entitled the Philippine Human Development Report. For the first time, a team led by Arsenio Balisacan examined the costs of conflict. Dr. Balisacan is Dean of the University of the Philippines School of Economics and Executive Director of the Philippine Center for Economic Development. Among the advisers for this Report was former Economic Planning Secretary and UP economics professor Solita Collas-Monsod.

The cost in terms of body count

The study found that during Estrada’s two and a half-year presidency, 471 Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) rebels and 222 government soldiers were killed.
We can presume that most of the fatalities occurred during the 2000 All-Out War.
In addition, during the same period, the MILF claimed 92 rebels were injured while the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) reported 270 injured – or 431 injured from both sides of the conflict.

There is no accounting here of civilians killed in the crossfire.

During last week’s Basilan clash between MILF rebels and government soldiers, 19 soldiers and at least five rebels and were killed.
An All-Out War would considerably increase that body count. And if one goes by the Year 2000 figures, total body count could reach several hundreds.
If the objective of a new All-Out War is to avenge the deaths last October 22 of the 19 soldiers, would the death of several hundreds more in such an operation be worth the cost?

You know what? The Christian majority in the country has always frowned upon and thought the concept of “rido” or vengeance killings among southern Philippine clans weird and barbaric. Wouldn’t avenging the deaths of the soldiers be like a state-sponsored “rido”?

An All-Out War would also have serious collateral damage on the citizenry

At the height of Estrada’s All-Out War in mid-2000, the number of refugees fleeing from the conflict swelled to 800,000 non-combatants. Imagine the trauma of leaving behind almost everything you own and had worked for because of the fighting.
An All Out War in Basilan could, however, result in a much lesser number of refugees (called Internally Displaced Persons or IDPs) because the island population there is only half a million.

Still, is it worth disrupting the lives of so many thousands? And would the military be breeding more rebels this way?
The formation of MILF camps in Basilan was an offshoot of Estrada’s All-Out War
Estrada is rightly credited for dismantling the MILF’s main headquarters, Camp Abubakar, and several other smaller camps. These had for years been a huge embarrassment and affront to the Philippine government and its sovereignty.
The gains of the All-Out War, however, turned out to be temporary. Other camps have sprouted in place of Camp Abubakar. And one of those camps is the one in Al-Barka, Basilan, near  where the deadly firefight took place last week.

I was interviewing Allan Pisingan of the Basilan Human Rights Network and Bantay Ceasefire yesterday. I asked him why the MILF now has a camp in Basilan. As far as I knew, the traditional stronghold of the MILF was central Mindanao, never Basilan.
He told me that the MILF gained a foothold on the island after angry Muslims rallied to the call of jihad by the late MILF Chairman Hashim Salamat in response to Estrada’s 2000 All-Out War.

After Camp Abubakar fell and Estrada celebrated his military victory by holding a lunch of beer and lechon (roast pork) there – which angered and insulted the Muslims – I got to talk to the late Angelo Reyes who was then the Armed Forces Chief of Staff. He predicted that the rebels would switch to guerrilla warfare but “I believe only the hard-core would do it.”

The problem was, he could not say how many of the MILF were hard-core.
At that time, Congressman Roilo Golez also expressed misgivings over capturing Camp Abubakar. The former navy official warned that “a wounded tiger fights more fiercely.”

An official of the Moro National Liberation Front, which signed a peace pact with the government in 1996, put the problem in perspective. He told me then:
The government has captured the hive but the angry bees have escaped and are regrouping to attack.

Soon enough, they did by bombing the LRT on Rizal Day that year end, killing 14 and injuring 100 commuters. That LRT bomb also hurt the national economy and instilled a sense of fear and helplessness in the nation’s capital. The violent cycle has gone on and on and on.

Economic costs of an All-Out War

Neither the military nor the government has ever disclosed how much a massive military operation costs taxpayers. This has always been shrouded in mystery. But we can presume that the government diverts funding to these unbudgeted events.
For Estrada’s All-Out War, the military deployed at least two marine and two infantry battalions, or the equivalent of around 2,400 men, not just for days but for at least over a month. Think how many bullets and bombs they needed.

In Basilan, an M14 bullet can be bought in the black market for P30 each; while an M16 bullet for P25 each, according to Allan Pisingan. Each M14 magazine can hold from 10 to 30 bullets. Given these kinds of figures, Estrada’s All-Out War must have been horribly expensive.
That particular war, however, had little direct impact on the national GDP, the UN-sponsored report concluded. Because in the first place, Mindanao island’s contribution to the GDP is “not particularly large from the viewpoint of the national economy.” It comprises only around half a percentage point of the national GDP.
But the report also cited a paper written by Schiavo-Camp and Judd on the Mindanao conflict. The authors argued that an All-Out War in Mindanao would have “a larger implicit economic cost” in this manner:

There is anecdotal but persuasive evidence from the international investment banking community that the troubles in the island have adversely affected the image of the country as an investor-friendly venue. This is consistent with the evidence…to the effect that capital flight is a main result of civil conflict, with capital repatriation following a settlement of the conflict.
In the case of Mindanao, however, such capital flight (limited by the low level of the initial capital) has been compounded by a failure to attract the equity investment that could be expected based on the area’s location and factor endowments – investment which was deflected to other areas in East and Southeast Asia.

The report also noted that the resulting deaths would also mean loss of potential income that could have been generated by the slain combatants for their families. The report estimated the loss at P69,300 yearly for a soldier killed (based on a private’s monthly salary); and P27,443 per year per rebel killed. The latter is lower in value because the basis used was the average per capita income of the Philippines as of 2003.
The most telling effect of the continuing conflict in Muslim Mindanao

An All-Out war is a tremendously psychologically draining experience which could affect a person’s health. The UN-funded report decided to correlate  the average life expectancy of residents in the most war-torn areas with those areas where residents seem to live longest.

Apparently, residents live longest in the following five provinces, based on 2003 government data:
Cebu – around 72.6 years old
Pampanga – 72.2
Batangas – 71.8
Bulacan – 71.4
Camarines Sur – 71.3

In contrast, residents of the following five strife-torn provinces in Muslim Mindanao seem to have the shortest average life span:
Basilan – 60.6 years old
Lanao del Sur – 57.9
Sulu – 52.8
Maguindanao – 52
Tawi-Tawi – 51.2

Wow. That’s a 10-year difference in life expectancy between Cebu and Basilan.
And a 20-year difference between Cebu and Maguindanao where the MILF is centrally based. And yet the rebels stay there to pursue their dream of a Bangsamoro Homeland through an armed struggle, despite being the object of several All-Out Wars.

Why Estrada wanted and needed an All-Out War in 2000

It is only by placing Estrada’s All-Out War in historical context that we can understand why he did it.

Before launching the All-Out War, the Estrada administration was reeling from several money scandals and from two humiliating incidents that put it in the global spotlight.
On March 20, 2000, the Abu Sayyaf grabbed 58 students and adults in Basilan and held them for ransom. The following month on April 22, 2000, the Abu Sayyaf again seized 21 mostly foreign holiday makers from the Malaysian island resort of Sipadan and brought them to Sulu to be ransomed off.

On top of this, Estrada’s popularity was tumbling from a fresh batch of scandals. A Catholic nun, Sr. Christine Tan who then headed the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office, disclosed that 87% or P430 million of the P495 million intended for its charity projects had been diverted to the offices of President Estrada, his wife, Luisa, and his son, Jinggoy.

Estrada’s Vice-President then – someone named Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo – warned that the fund diversion “will result in the waning trust of the people in the government.”
It was also around this time that the scandal over alleged insider trading of BW Resources shares broke into the news, along with two other money scandals implicating top officials and friends of Estrada.

A P304.9 million contract to buy fire trucks was allegedly cornered by a company that reportedly used as go-between two movie stars close to the movie actor-turned-President. Estrada ordered an investigation on the matter.

In addition, reports bared that the chief government lawyer, Solicitor General Ricardo Galvez, had brokered a deal involving the awarding of 4,689 hectares of a military reservation in Nueva Ecija to a private individual. Estrada ordered the deal scrapped.
What damaged Estrada’s presidency the most at this time was the surprising confirmation of his chief presidential palace aide Aprodicio Laquian of the existence of Estrada’s  “midnight cabinet”. Laquian said that:
at 4 o’clock in the morning, I am the only sober person in the room [and that] if there is one person who is sober in the room who would be able to take all of these things that were signed and then hide them in my record book, then the decision-making will probably be, in the beautiful light of the morning, very rational.
You can read more about Laquian’s outburst here.
In light of all these, political analysts at that time expressed the belief that Estrada’s motives for  launching an All-Out War were partly self-serving. He needed to shore up his sagging presidency.

Six months after Camp Abubakar fell, Estrada himself had been shooed out of office.

Why President Benigno Aquino III does not want nor need an All-Out War

It is true that among all presidents, PNoy has a big stake in keeping peace in Mindanao after having personally met with MILF chairman Murad Ebrahim and other key rebel leaders in Tokyo.

That, however, is only part of the reason.

The Aquino administration is about to embark on a bold, ambitious and multi-billion pesos plan to bring development to Muslim Mindanao using the Autonomous Region for Muslim Mindanao (ARMM) structure as the vehicle. It is still trying to persuade the MILF to be a partner in this experiment.
All these will come to nothing with an All-Out War.

But what about justice for the slain soldiers?

This is a question that’s been bothering me since the incident. The Republic has to stand by its soldiers.
This issue has been clouded, though, by the fact that neither the military nor the MILF has released a comprehensive post-battle report.  We are being bombarded by confusing reports about what happened.
Meanwhile, the Army chief,  Lt. General Arturo Ortiz,  has already relieved two field commanders without any explanation.
Amid this confusion, President Aquino is faced with mounting criticism for not acting decisively and  not ordering hot pursuit operations or an All-Out War at once.
And he is insisting on holding the peace.
And so we Filipinos are faced with the question – do we give peace a chance or go to war again?

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Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 07:13:05 AM
That all sounds well and good. Give peace a chance and sing kumbaya in the sunshine, okay yan. Pero when is enough? These guys are treasonous, murderous and extortionist thugs. I say we put our foot down and crush what needs to be crushed. It is unfortunate that cowardice is a legitimate argument. I agree na mahihirapan tayo to end this conflict, pero as long as we can't contain what's in our own backyard and we even let other countries broker and mediate in our domestic situation, we will always be the village idiot of south east Asia. We are opening our doors to further incursions, international exploitation and jeopardizing our safety. We are giving legitimacy to the illegitimate and giving further power to those who wants to take it.

You know why the U.S wouldn't negotiate with terrorists? It will set a precedent, and saksakan ng dami ng precedent ang na set natin kakaligaw sa mga Ito.

I know it's easy to say na madaling magsalita kasi hindi naman ikaw ang sasabak. Sure. But until when are we going to think that way? When other provinces starts demanding their own LIBERATION?

In their name, LIBERATION. Liberate from what? And this is just not with rhetoric but with arms an violence. This is treason is it not?

Should we also say dapat wag ng hulihin ng mga pulis ang magnanakaw kasi hindi naman tayo ang huhuli? Hindi naman tayo ang nasa paganib para hulihin yung mga criminal? Is that the argument here? If so, then I have nothing further to add to that. No amount of argument will ever address that, cause that's just being impertinent hindi ba?

If we cannot fix this, then there is only one entity to blame. The government. What the heck do we pay our taxes for if they cannot protect our country's integrity?

Don't even get me started with these Abu sayaf bandits. They have shamed our country and embarrassed us to oblivion. Ikaw nadin nagsabi mangilan ngilan lang yan pero hindi parin mapulbos. Why? Clearly it's not a matter of fire power, I'm sure mas madami tayong personnel kesa sa kanila. I think the problem is the lack of political will to finish this once and for all. Are we giving them a half-assed peace or a half-assed war. Ano ba talaga?

We can look up articles here and there to give credence to our own opinions, pero you have to understand even articles may contain their own bias by their writers and they may have their own opinions too.

You know what's hilarious? I think many of them forgot they are Filipinos too. This is not a religious war. This is a war of self interest. Who stands to gain when they get their autonomy? Cui Bono?  Of course their leaders are fighting for this, it's a free meal ticket served on a golden plate. They become kings of their own domain, heck yeah they will fight this out.

It's all bull man. It's the same old situation, nag tatago lang sa religion itong isang Ito. Peace is great, who doesn't want peace? How can you achieve it? You give your fingers, then your hand, then your arm, then what? What's next?

I think there are plenty of Muslims who are peaceful, law abiding, and stellar people with honor. They have thugs in Mindanao as we do have thugs in Luzon and Visayas. This is not a religious war as many of them would like to paint it to be.

I don't have all the facts, but I am aware of human nature. I'm just simple Pinoy who has his own opinion, I'm a peace advocate but I'm also a realist.

After all this and demands are met, whose to stop another Tom, dick and Harry from rising up and making up their own demands? When does it stop? Hindi ba mas papogi yung peace now and sweep it all under the rug now and let the next guy handle the repercussions tomorrow?

I think we need to improve our military more and funnel more funds into to that, otherwise we will be doomed as soon as we run out of bargaining chips and has no more fingers, hands and arms to offer.
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Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Since 15th century, the region of mindanao is the traditional homeland of Muslim Filipinos. There, they have their separate culture and identity. And when the Philippines is under Spaniards control, these muslim community, maintained their independence. They have a history of resistance for almost 400 years encompassing from spaniards time up to japanese rule. This 400 year long resistance against the Japanese, Americans, and Spanish by the Moro Muslims persisted and morphed into their current war for independence against the Philippine state, this is why they called it LIBERATION.

Let us remember also that during MNLF insurgency in 1980's, the ARMM is created, but up to this point, have you ever heard a province nor a group like Bicolano, Ilocano, Tagalog, etc. rise up against the government in order to demand their separate autonomous region?

Sa pagkakalam ko, MILF is not asking na magcreate ulit tayo ng autonomous region sa kanila. Yung nasasakupan ng ARMM yun ang ibibigay sa kanila, babaguhin lang ang pangalan, so anung problema dun?

Last to say, kahit ubusin mo pa ang MILF, may lilitaw at lilitaw pa rin na insurgency because an all out war doesn't address the real issue of the Muslim people.

The real issue here is kahirapan sa Mindanao.

The region in Mindanao is the most impoverished areas in the Philippines.  And they are blaming this to our government since they think na di sila tinutulungan because of their religion and culture. For years, Filipino Muslims had been complaining of official discrimination at the hands of consecutive governments and the Catholic majority. This included discrimination in housing and education, as well as lack of government funding for the majority-Muslim south.

For more than 40 years, our government used bullets para labanan ang insurgency sa Mindanao pero wala namang nangyari, lalo lang itong lumalala..   

Let us use peace today and address the real issue.

And that what is Aquino is doing.  :hi1:


 Note: Im not an avid fan of Noynoy :peace: :peace: :peace: :peace: :peace:


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Reply #8 on: February 03, 2015, 07:43:55 PM
i heard there's a bounty on two terrorists' heads? i dunno much about the stories behind the fallen 44.... it only puzzles my mind, how come they (44) didn't coordinate with the AFP... to think that it's an MILF turf... PNoy is too soft on the matter... eh teka, ano naman kaya masasabi ng Human Rights Commission? hahaha.... baka kayang putakan ng HRC ang MILF or MNLF eh gawin na nila ng sila naman lusubin hahahaha....


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Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 05:55:39 PM
Nun panahon ni FVR o ni marcos, there were a rebel group which named as MNLF. They demanded some perks to our government and try to do a peace talks. Nun nagpush ang peace talk process with MNLF, nahati ang faction neto at dito nabuo ang MILF. Peace talks with MNLF was concluded and ARMM was born. Government gave multibillion funds to this semi-autonomous state in this process. Pero ano na nanyare dito, naging maunlad ba sila based on what they are fighting for? No, naging mayaman lang yun mga iilan angkan.. Those in upper level only benefited and have luxurious life, etc.Samantala yun mahihirap nilang kababayan eh totally mahirap pa sa daga. Then here is the MILF, doing some terror attack and our government start to compromise by doing another Peace Talks. By then, sprout Bangsamoro Law in which given MILF a control to their territory and im sure there will be hefty amount of money for them pag natuloy to. So ano nanyare during peace talks, umusbong naman ang BIFF.

So ano gagawin natin sa BIFF? Peace talks? Common.... Ilan acronym pa ba ng grupo ang mabubuo out of this "Peace process". Marami na rin tayo nailabas na pera para sa kanila na kung tutuusin eh wala tayo pananagutan sa kanila. Hindi kasalanan ng government kung bakit ganun ang pamumuhay nila. At hindi dapat sila gastusan ng kaban ng bayan para sa kanila...

Peace talks is good only para sa mga tao na gusto makipag ayos. Pero sa mga tao na ayaw nila ng harmonize relationships, kumbaga, paano mo gigisingin ang taong nagtutulog tulugan,
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Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 09:23:27 PM
For your better understanding, the ARMM is not a product of peace negotiations but a product of the national government’s interpretation of how to end the Bangsamoro struggle. That's why, the 21 year old became a "failed experiment"   because it has been unable to fully grasp what the Bangsamoro struggle for self-determination means.

Unlike today. What Aquino is offering to the MILF is the result of massive consultation from all the sectors in Mindanao. Major reform will implemented to address the causes of rebellion and to bring massive assistance and economic development to Mindanao.

But if an all out war broke out, this development plan for Mindanao will be just a dream.

Lalo lang nating ilulubog sa kahirapan nito ang Mindanao. Because it was impossible to bring development at the same time eh nakikipag giyera tayo sa kanila. Lalo lang lalala dito ang sentiment ng mga muslim sa gobyerno natin. There are a lot muslim nation also na symphatetic sa ipianaglalaban ng MNLF, they think that this is a legitimate resistance group  fighting for the plight of the Moro people.

This is not an ordinary rebellion, you can compare it to Kurdish people or the Palestine people fighting for their own cause.. Make them as your example, walang katapusang giyera..  yan ba ang dapat mangyari?

Napakalaki ng potential ng Mindanao dahil napakayaman nito sa natural resources, sasayangin ba natin?
 

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Reply #11 on: February 05, 2015, 03:33:05 AM
hayyyz... this is one reason why we can never be a big, big tourist destination sa buong mundo like thailand or the carribean for example.

pati buong pulis ba naman mawa-wipe out nalang. how can you ever feel safe as a tourist?


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Reply #12 on: February 05, 2015, 08:51:27 AM
I honesly believe that in order to acknowledge something that is going on for far too long now is to have an unbiased knowledge of the real cause of the whole issue...

Injustice, yan ... Para sa akin ang rootcause ng lahat ng insurgency sa Mindanao... But to fully understand that ,we have to go back to what really happend and why these people acted that way.


We have been colonized and lived under the Spanish rule for three hundred years, but the Moros resisted the Spanish rule until the Americans nearly wiped out all of them in the massacre that happend sometime in 1913...

Marami pang nangyari and the killings continued hanggang late 60's and til now... nag escalate na ng husto...We cannot blame these people, for desperately wanting to retain their cultural identity, their freedom and their piece of land...

it was already their home as far back before the Spaniards came to conquer us....But the Americans with their superiority in arms and political assaults won over against the minority of the Moros...

From then on the Americans together with the newly created Philippine independent government slowly began to marginalize, and eventually totaly disrupt the integral core of the Moro way of life...


Ignorance in the real plight of these People may create an even bigger prejudice towards them, I for one.. During my early years , somewhere in my ignorant young brain , have harboured ignorant prejudie about them...

Questions like,

' bakit kailangan nila humiwalay sa Pilipinas?' Hindi ba sila kuntento? Anong gusto nila?

' bakit sila warfreak?'

' bakit ang mga muslim na yan nde nakiki isa sa mga Pilipino sa Visayas at Luzon?'


... Walang katapsang tanong
And somewhere, something at the back o my young ignorant mind...will say...' Bakit kase nde na lang yan pasabugan ng bomba, grenade launcher kaya? Para maubos ang muslim na yan?!'


Morbid thoughts!

Too cruel and selfish to the core....

Admittedly... Ignorant.

Majority of us.. Might have the same predicament as mine... Quick, effective... Murderous!
But after that... Will it solve the insurgency? And from what kind of principle must we justify that kind of aggression against these minority group?
Have we ever asked ourselves, since the beginning of our history... From the spaniards, american... And until now... Mindanao has always been the The only part of the Philippines who demonstrated such valiant reaiatnce from all those oppressive forces ?


Mindanao... Opted to fight ... For it's cultural identity and freedom ..whereas we from
The other parts of what we call as country , the Philippines.... Merely bowed our heads and accepted what was meager, plain and second best that was offerred to us by the tyrants in our puppet government.


Same thing lang din naman... Ang Mindanao, from all the prejudices that has been said about them... Continued to be what they are... Survivors and fighters for their own rights and freedom...too bad, the government tried to negotiate with them...with half transparency... What good result would it be? If the government will only favour the other side? And tyranically sabotage their own peace policies? And what about the agreements signed? May nangyari ba dun?

The fight for peace in Mindanao is inseparable from the question of economic and social development. It is possible, though far from certain, that a new agreement on autonomy for the Moros will be reached.

But peace is not just the absence of war. A lasting peace means not only respecting the rights of the Moros it also means putting an end to all the forms of poverty, inequality and injustice which breed violence. Equality in the disribution of economic funds, socio cultural development projects such schools, and universities...help for  those small time business interpreneurs...and funding medical outreach programs...

Mindanao is potentially a very rich island, but its natural wealth needs to be owned and controlled by its people and not as at present by an alliance of corrupt politicians, greedy landowners and those multinational giants who keep on nosing around us like hungry sharks bidding its time to completely swallow it's feeble prey.


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Reply #13 on: February 06, 2015, 09:06:17 AM
and now...
Purisima - Filed for resignation and was accepted by the president
Napinas - was transferred
Espina - new PNP Director General (frustrated)
Catapang - I was informed late (wala din akong alam)
Roxas - wala akong alam! kung alam ko ano kaya ang pwede kong nagawa? (okinalimutan sabihan ni Pnoy)
Pnoy - "tahimik lang ako habang wala pang naisusulat na maganda ang mga writers ko"
Kris (Presidential Sister) - unfollow, unfollow
MILF - selling all fire arms that was taken from our PNP F44

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Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 09:43:04 AM
and now...
Purisima - Filed for resignation and was accepted by the president
Napinas - was transferred
Espina - new PNP Director General (frustrated)
Catapang - I was informed late (wala din akong alam)
Roxas - wala akong alam! kung alam ko ano kaya ang pwede kong nagawa? (okinalimutan sabihan ni Pnoy)
Pnoy - "tahimik lang ako habang wala pang naisusulat na maganda ang mga writers ko"
Kris (Presidential Sister) - unfollow, unfollow
MILF - selling all fire arms that was taken from our PNP F44

with due respect my Sir,
 What are your basis for this claims? I've been visiting forums one after another regarding this incident. And Your comment is one of the few  that I find a bit inappropriate trying share some exaggerated  things that only a ignorant readers of tabloid newspaper will buy.


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