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Who do you think is the best ever person who played basketball?

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Offline McLovin

Reply #60 on: September 17, 2013, 06:49:58 PM
Manong dimmu wala talaga makaka intindi sa iyo kung ikaw lang nakaka intindi sa sinabi mo. Favorite term mo talaga yang "it means u didnt understand" sometimes try mo ikaw naman mag understand sa mga nagcocomment dito. Yung term mo kasi ng versatility ay playing multiple positions and then biglang not trying to say na that Jordan is not versatile? Kakasabi mo lang na di sya versatile kahit sa ibang thread dito sa website hahaha magulo ka kausap minsan manong. :-)

Doi, di ako pinanganak kahapon the way you commented, feeling mo ikaw lang nakakaalam niyan. Alam na natin may mga multiple positions, kaya nga may term na combo guard, swingman, forward-center, point-forward, kasi may mga players na sadyang di comfortable maglaro sa position na ideal for their height. Ofcourse all respect for Barkley at naging effective yung game nya. Also Iverson is the best example for a combo guard and considerably one of the best 6'0 scorers kasi idol nya si Jordan, so he wanted to play like MJ despite his height. Jordan is a natural scorer, ideal sa height nya, why would he even bother to play PF for the Bulls kung meron naman Horace grant or Rodman to rely on that position? He didn't have to play that position pero instead, he learned to become more effective scorer with his post-up game, whether it's on low or high post, that's versatility as a scorer na agad.

It's simple for Jordan, he doesn't have to play PF-C to impress people if he can score anywhere, and do everything on both ends of the floor.
In Lebron's case, obviously nung napadpad sya sa Miami, he really have to play PF position kasi they lack decent big man, kudos to him! Chris Bosh nga ayaw maging Center dati if you remember. Napilitan lang kasi no choice. Then biglang nauso yung small-line up to take their quickness advantage against bigger teams, favorite line-up yan ni Spoelstra.
Bakit nung nasa Cavs sya, bihira siya maglaro ng PF position? Kasi may Varejao at Ilgauskas, then may Shaq at Ben Wallace. Instead naging point-forward ang position/role nya dun.

Take note pag na discuss ang versatility of a basketball player, it means what he can do on both ends of the floor, not just being able to play multiple positions. He can stay as a PG all the way of the game pero he can rebound and score. In today's ERA maalala mo dyan si Rondo, he's a natural point guard, but he's an all-around and versatile player. Pero di mo sya makikita playing forward position. So yung point mo na kayang maglaro ng multiple positions kagaya nila Lebron at Magic para matawag na versatile kagaya nilang dalawa...well hahahahaha  :-\

very well said sir parehas tayo ang pagkakaintindi ko ng versatility di sa dami ng position mong linalaro kundi pagiging magaling sa mga basic skills sa basketball like scoring, rebounding at passing no doubt na natural scorer si MJ averaging close to 30ppg, decent rebounder din siya sa kanyang position avg. close to 6rpg, at magaling rin na passer avg. close to 5apg ayon yan kay mr. google..

magaling rin naman siyang dumepensa di mo siya ma e-exploit kapag may mismatch at napakagaling rin na lockdown defender


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Reply #61 on: September 17, 2013, 09:48:30 PM
If you are limited to two  or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court..

Do i need to explain the basic difference between center, pf, sf, sg and pg?

This is not about passing, rebounding or scoring. Every player in the court can do that thing.. 

Di ko naman feeling na ako lang ang nakakalaalam nyan. ang Feeling ko lang  ngayon mo nalaman na meron palang wilt, russell na naglaro sa nba.





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Reply #62 on: September 17, 2013, 11:39:51 PM
If you are limited to two  or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court..

Do i need to explain the basic difference between center, pf, sf, sg and pg?

This is not about passing, rebounding or scoring. Every player in the court can do that thing.. 

Di ko naman feeling na ako lang ang nakakalaalam nyan. ang Feeling ko lang  ngayon mo nalaman na meron palang wilt, russell na naglaro sa nba.

LOOOOOLS!!! EPIC FAIL ka Manong! Hahaha i'm talking to your Big Ego, you bigot.

Hahah LOL stats will mostly reflect on what you do on the court, Pwede ba namang Gusto maglaro ni Lebron as PF or C pero di sya magrerebound, masabi lang na "I wanna do everything on the court but me no rebound!
Ma aacknowledge na you can do everything on the court by padding your stats.

Nagbasa ka ba? Kaya nga perfect example si Rondo 6'1, PG, everywhere on the court. He's padding stats consistently with occasional triple-double. He's crashing the board kahit mas malalaki yung opponents nya at may decent C and forwards siyang teammate. He even defended lebron james  ng maayos despite the height difference. He didn't have to play forward position to did all of that. So dyan pa lang na DEBUNK na yung claim mo na "If you are limited to two  or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court.. "
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Offline McLovin

Reply #63 on: September 18, 2013, 05:58:41 AM
If you are limited to two  or three positions, believe me u cannot do everything on the court..

wala sa position ang pagiging versatile ng isang player basic skills ng basketball ang usapan dito pag magaling ka dyan sa tatlo dyan ka matatawag na versatile di kailangan maging C or PF para lang kumuha ng rebound di mo rin kailangan  maging guard pasa mag facilitate ng play its playing in your natural position and getting the job done that matters


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Reply #64 on: September 18, 2013, 11:21:35 AM
Once u are in the court, u are expected to shoot, rebound or pass  the ball. That is basic basketball. This will not make u as a complete player otherwise all basketball players are complete players..

Tama ka when u said na di naman talaga kailangan (e.g) ni Jordan na maglaro ng Center or PF, dahil meron namang mga natural players in every position.

But sometimes it is a big advantage if u know how to play this position as shown by Magic Johnson in 1980 NBA Finals.. (Jabbar is not playing here because of an injury)

"In Game 6, Magic Johnson played what may have been the greatest game of his career. Playing on the road in Philadelphia, Magic (a 6'9" point guard) started the game at center and eventually played all 5 positions in a dominating performance. "

Johnson is switching from one position to another depending sa pangangailangan ng team. Now, let's take Rondo as ur example, rondo can shoot, can assist, and rebound pero yung inside presence of a big man eh wala sya.. Can ROndo guard a center? of course not..


 


 


 

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Reply #65 on: September 18, 2013, 11:13:44 PM
Rondo can guard a center! He and his coach choose not to. Tanga ba sia, ang liit liit nia babantayan nia ung malaki.

Basta MJ pa din ang the best!
He can do everything. He plays baseball, golf, poker.,etc. Yan ang vesatile.

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Reply #66 on: September 19, 2013, 12:47:40 PM
Can ROndo guard a center? of course not..

hmmm.. if this argument is the premise of what versatility means?

Then I can safely conclude that...

"Taller/bigger men can be a versatile player while the smaller one cannot no matter how they did well in court."  ;D
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Reply #67 on: September 19, 2013, 01:55:40 PM

That is the premise of "u can do everything in the court".




hmmm.. if this argument is the premise of what versatility means?

Then I can safely conclude that...

"Taller/bigger men can be a versatile player while the smaller one cannot no matter how they did well in court."  ;D
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Reply #68 on: September 20, 2013, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Dimmu Borgir link=topic=21747.msg254381#msg254381

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"In Game 6, Magic Johnson played what may have been the greatest game of his career. Playing on the road in Philadelphia, Magic (a 6'9" point guard) started the game at center and eventually played all 5 positions in a dominating performance. "

Johnson is switching from one position to another depending sa pangangailangan ng team. Now, let's take Rondo as ur example, rondo can shoot, can assist, and rebound pero yung inside presence of a big man eh wala sya.. Can ROndo guard a center? of course not..

Yung match-up naman ni Magic as a Center vs 76ers during that finals ay si Caldwell Jones  6-11 217 lbs and Darryl Dawkins 6-11 251 lbs. (Tallest players for 76ers) Those guys are not All-Star caliber player, kaya talaga ni Magic yung match-up, no wonder confident yung coach to let him play. But kudos to him kasi rookie sya at that time.

Rondo 6'1 guard at may inside presence? Poor argument there manong, as if  Rondo's initiative to guard Lebron effectively isn't enough for you. Yung kay Magic ilang inches lang ang difference niya sa average height ng centers kaya pwede, pero hindi siya nakilala for defending big man on a daily basis, but instead through his play making. Nakalatag na lahat sa iyo all you have to do is acknowledge.

Please stop giving us poor argument like a 6'1 PG will have to guard a Center just to prove a point that he's an all around and can do everything.  :-\ You're making yourself look bad. Really...
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Reply #69 on: September 20, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
I am just talking about the ability of Johnson to play the center position. And im just explaining to you kung anong advantage meron pag marunong kang maglaro ng multiple position.  kasi sa umpisa pa lang di mo naiintindihan kung anong advantage nito sa isang player. It doesn't matter kung sino ang ka match up nya.. Lulusot ka pa eh  ibang dahilan na naman ang gamit mo.

Do u mean the word "complete" and "can DO everything on the floor?

Rondo guarding a center and his inside presence is just an example kung ano ang di nya kayang gawin sa loob ng court.. Then how u will become "a player that can do everything on the floor" kung meron kang di kayang gawin inside? Simple logic but u cannot understand.. 

I hope u can afford to buy some brain if u don't care to research further.
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Reply #70 on: September 21, 2013, 09:41:13 AM
"Yung match-up naman ni Magic as a Center vs 76ers during that finals ay si Caldwell Jones  6-11 217 lbs and Darryl Dawkins 6-11 251 lbs. (Tallest players for 76ers) Those guys are not All-Star caliber player, kaya talaga ni Magic yung match-up, no wonder confident yung coach to let him play. But kudos to him kasi rookie sya at that time."

Analyze first what are u are posting because if we will follow ur kind of argument. It's the same thinking that Karl Malone will outplayed Steve Kerr once malone played PG because Malone is an all star caliber and steve kerr is not.. Di ba nakakatawa? di ka lang matatawa kung di mo nakukuha ang logic ng sinasabi mo..



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Reply #71 on: September 22, 2013, 01:32:48 AM
Ikaw yung di maka intindi, given na kasi yung mga height nila, given na yung advantage and disadvantage nila. Despite the disadvantages (example Height and size) ng mga player na binigay ko, they're known for being a versatile player Ano Mr. Bigot di pa rin magrasp ng utak mo?

Hehehehe Malone vs Steve Kerr...Flawless logic (sarcasm) hehe. I was talking about the size match up ni Magic Johnson vs those Centers ng Sixers. Binigay mo yung Position ni Malone at Steve Kerr sino ngayon nagmukang engot hehehe. Asan na yung logic mo, kaya nga binigay ko yung height ng mga centers, di mo pala na gets, ngayon kaya nalagay din dyan na di all-star caliber yung mga players na yun kasi hypothetically what if those centers are all-star calibers like Olajuwon, pwede idominate yan ng given center player ng Sixers kung nasa ganyang All-Star level sya/sila lalo na wala si Jabbar. Pero hindi diba? Kaya nakakita pa rin ng opportunity yung Lakers and Magic Johnson dahil alam nila kaya yung match-up ng mga players! Given na rin kasi sa height advantage ni Magic.
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Reply #72 on: September 22, 2013, 03:04:38 PM
Hmmm Michael Jordan siguro para sakin...


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Reply #73 on: September 23, 2013, 12:27:16 PM
Now it seems na you understand what is the meaning "of a player that can do anything on the floor" since di ka na sumagot sa sinabi ko. Hay kailangan ko pa plang idetalye lahat bago mo maintindihan. Di pala uso ang logic sayo..

If u cannot get the logic of Malone and Kerr then so be it, after all most of my argument ay di mo naman makuha ang logic. (Look at my above post, it so simple yet it seems u cannot understand until i explained it further)
 
     


Kung di mo makuha ang mga sinasabi ko then so be it..







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Reply #74 on: September 25, 2013, 04:38:53 PM
c-hakeem olajuwon
pf-tim duncan/charles barkley
sf-lebron james
sg-michael jordan
pg-magic johnson


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