Rodman comparing his era to current era

[Dimmu Borgir]

di ako umaayon sa sinasabi mong mismatch kasi kung talagang mas magaling ang Boston eh bakit kahit sa play offs di sila nakapasok pagkaalis ni Russell? Ibig sabihin, si Russell ang nag iisang anchor ng Boston. Kaya sila gumaling eh dahil kay Russell.

Ang tanong ko si Jordan ba ginawang magaling ang mga ka team mates? isang malaking hindi ang sagot dyan.. Dyan pa sila nagkakaiba ni Russell.

Mag research ka pa para makita mo ng di ganun kalopsided ang mga laro noon. Madalas may overtime. Kahit sa mga play offs or championship eh dikit ang mga laban..

Bad Boys of Detroit is not as physical as 1960's, sabi ko nga nag eevolve ang NBA. Nagbabago ang rules. Lumalambot. For Example: Russell punched Ray Felix (new york knicks center) unconscious and just paid 25 dollars fine. Kung nangyari yan sa panahon ni Jordan, ano sa tingin mo ang penalty?

 

[payazoxiii]

iba pdn talaga ang jordan pippen and rodman tandem kht anu sbhn ntn period.

[Ozymandias]

di ako umaayon sa sinasabi mong mismatch kasi kung talagang mas magaling ang Boston eh bakit kahit sa play offs di sila nakapasok pagkaalis ni Russell? Ibig sabihin, si Russell ang nag iisang anchor ng Boston. Kaya sila gumaling eh dahil kay Russell

Yun nadali mo rin! Yan yung sinasabi ko mismatch against the likes of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain!
Remember Lakers (2000-2002) during their 3 peat? it is because with Shaq not Kobe right? Then surrounded by good role players and a great Coach. Nung nawala si Shaq, lakers barely made it in the Playoffs, same situation with Bill Russell and his Boston.

Difference is that Russell's a team player and a defensive anchor. Mataas ang basketball IQ ni Russell at alam nya kung ano yung kulang sa Boston Celtics during his era, it's DEFENSE. He made his teammates better with defense, at kanya pa halos lahat ng rebound. So what if he disregard playing Defense and started taking more shots for himself? That's the difference between Wilt and him.

Ang tanong ko si Jordan ba ginawang magaling ang mga ka team mates? isang malaking hindi ang sagot dyan.. Dyan pa sila nagkakaiba ni Russell.

Medyo malawak ang category of making teammates better. For Jordan, he's a scorer and stats padder aka all around player. He's taking away shot opportunity from his teammates, but still he passes the ball, hindi sya makakakuha ng 8.0 assist per game during 88-89 season if he's not. Kaya nga palagi nila sinasabi nung nawala si Jordan, tumaas stats ng halos lahat sa Bulls esp. Pippen, but they did that to distribute Jordan's contribution(stats) to the team among themselves, not just Pip, meaning someone has to take more shots, rebound more, pass the ball. But did he made them better? In Phil Jackson's system he didn't bec. MJ will take most of the credit running the offense, and he has the options whether he takes more shots or pass it to the open man. Pippen took that role of making his teammates better.

In the case of Russell, his role in the team is to play in the middle, play D, pass for open teammates, take some shots if needed, kasi he knows that there are scorers in his team. See the difference? Iba yung role nila. Like in Wilt's case, he's a scorer and a stats padder like MJ.

BTW Someone elaborated the categories of NBA players "making their teammates better" and he explained it well.
http://www.quora.com/NBA/Which-NBA-players-have-the-reputation-of-making-their-teammates-better
Surprise MJ is there!

[Dimmu Borgir]

it seems na u understand now my point why im saying Jordan is over rated and product of media hype and not the GOAT for me..

Jordan is not as good as Russel in so many aspects in basketball pero dahil si Jordan ay isa sa marketed sports figure ay sinasabi nilang sya ang pinakamagaling na naglaro ng basketball para maging interesado sa kanya ang mga tao.

Sa versatility, Jordan cannot even play 5 positions unlike James or Magic..
He is not dominant like Chamberlain.
Basketball IQ, malayo sya kay Russell..
Importance nya sa team, talo sya ni Russell.
Championship, talo sya ni Russel. 
Making team mates better, talo din sya ni Russell.


So saan lang sya umangat? Media Hype..

[Ozymandias]

Well di lang naman dahil sa Media Hype umangat si Jordan, people won't buy it kung di siya naging ROY, all-star player, mvp, champion, defensive player of the year, olympic gold medalist etc. In short he really is a great player, those achievements will always stay with him kahit mag label ka pa na he's a media hype. It's not only media, MJ is the most Marketable NBA player in sports history, sobrang saya ng Nike dahil sa kanya dati. People bought his Air Jordan, then a decade later, it's still selling. Years later may Kobe, then Lebron etc.

Sa versatility, Jordan cannot even play 5 positions unlike James or Magic..
He is not dominant like Chamberlain.
Basketball IQ, malayo sya kay Russell..
Importance nya sa team, talo sya ni Russell.
Championship, talo sya ni Russel. 
Making team mates better, talo din sya ni Russell.

Hahahah natawa ako dito. Here we go again.
1. Jordan is a versatile player you can tell that through his stats, he put up decent numbers in rebounds, assist, steals, esp. in scoring throughout his career. He can consistently play offensively and defensively each game, that's versatility. He doesn't need to play as a PF or a center to rebound.  Sinabi lang yung "can play 5 position" it's because of Lebron and Magic Johnson's Height. Other versatile player? Jason Kidd, he can score, PASS, rebound! Does he need to play PF or Center to rebound? Then there's Larry Bird, Pippen, KG etc.

2. Not dominant like Wilt? Again, Wilt's era was an advantage for him, sino ba rival nya? Bill Russell. Only that guy, can stop him occasionally from scoring. Jordan's era? Dami nya rival, from PG to Center rival nya. Mutombo gusto palagi sya iblock, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler, Payton, Barkley, ang dami pa! Remember he scored 63 points against the Celtics in 86 during the playoffs? That's a dominant performance. Di mag-e-effort ang NBA gumawa ng archive ng top plays of career ni Jordan or other Superstars and HOF kung di sila dominant.

3. Basketball IQ = is basically playing smart, making a decision or reading the situation in each plays, avoiding errors. If malayo sya kay Russell, maybe he doesn't deserve all his mvp awards? Maybe if he has low Basketball IQ, he shouldn't have stole the ball from Karl Malone and maybe Jazz might have a chance for a game 7? Maybe he shouldn't passed the ball to Steve Kerr kahit na instructions ni Phil Jackson that he should take the shot??

4. Importance nya sa team? Damn son, he really is important, kung di sya important maybe they should have traded him away, or perhaps The Bulls shouldn't have chase him to re-sign and play for the team since MJ's busy playing in a minor league baseball.  BUT they needed him so bad and the result?? Another 3 peat run baby!

5. Championship? Duh 11-6. Again different era. Lesser playoff games for Bill and his Celtics. Lesser teams for match-up during the playoffs. Celtics is the best team in that era, roster pa lang nila dami na HOF e. Tapos lagay mo pa a great coach in Red Auerbach, they have all the pieces to win a championship. Like you said, if it wasn't for B. Russell, they won't get that 11 ring. Kudos to him. Walang ibang Bill Russell sa era na yan willing to sacrifice his scoring for defense.

6. I agree about Russell making his teammates better, buti na lang he's willing to sacrifice his scoring average and willing to play D. Imagine he played like Wilt, and started to ball hog and score for himself. Edi kinain nya yung opportunity ng ibang teammates nya to shoot the ball. Again, iba yung role ni Jordan and his playing style, he's a scorer. From the very start he started playing NBA. He wanted to score, but he can create opportunities for his teammates and shoot the ball, like in the case of LBJ. Plus if you're going to consider the system of Phil Jackson, usually the stars of the team will always remain a star in the team, while role players will remain as role players.

Jordan is still one of the GOAT for me. Russell is there too, Jabbar is there, Magic Johnson and Bird, it will be an endless debate on who's on the top kasi iba iba yung era nila, iba yung NBA Rules, situations etc.

You know what's media hype? Blake Griffin. Miami heat signing Greg Oden. Dwight Howard trade drama. Derrick Rose's return. Before it was LBJ as a free agent, one of the worse media hype ever for me.

[baroomby2009]

80's and 90's is where defenses are strict. mahirap umiskor dati and the hard fouls are common