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Academics => Legal Department => Topic started by: thejackal2012 on April 07, 2013, 10:39:16 PM
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Gusto ko pong hingin ang inyong payo about dito sa pagbili ko ng House and Lot.
Ganito po ang kwento.
Ako po ay married sa aking asawa pero kami ay matagal ng hiwalay. Hindi na rin kami madalas nagkikita at paminsan minsan na lng kapag gusto nya sunduin ang anak ko. Ngaun po gusto ko bumili ng Bahay at LUpa kaya nag inquire na ako isang subdivision. Pero nakakita ako ng sample ng kontrata ng isa nilang client at nabasa ko dito na lumabas kami pareho ang may ari ng bahay at lupa gayong dugo at pawis ko lamang ang ginamit ko para maipon ang pera. At ang masaklap kailangan pa ang pagpayag nya at pirma.
Tanong:
May Paraan po ba para mabago ito at gawing tanging ako lamang ang me pag aari sa bibilhing bahay at lupa?
Maraming salamat po sa inyo in advance..
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Pagsinabi mong hiwalay, do you mean legally separated? If that's the case, I think you don't have to worry about it. Spousal consent and signature is noncompulsary. Kung hiwalay lang kayo without the filed petition, pwede ka pa rin sigurong bumibili ng lupa solely on your own using your own credit, income and citizen status. But kung masama ang paghihiwalay nyong mag asawa and she found out, she can contest that the purchase is still a communal property at yan ang umpisa ng gyera patani. Better consult a lawyer.
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Sir,everything you own and you invest in is and will be co-owned with your spouse,kung kasal kayo kahit na hiwalay pa kayo unless ur both legally seperated as sir Caligula said
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But correct me dimple if I'm wrong. He can still buy even without his spouse's signature and have it exclusively under his name. If ever there will be a question, he can always claim na investment niya yon. Ang hindi lang nya pwedeng gawin ay ibenta to later on without his wife's consent because as you said, it is co-owned already. Even if thejackal2012 gets his legal separation afterwards, the said property or its value will have to be divided between the 2 parties.
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But correct me dimple if I'm wrong. He can still buy even without his spouse's signature and have it exclusively under his name. If ever there will be a question, he can always claim na investment niya yon. Ang hindi lang nya pwedeng gawin ay ibenta to later on without his wife's consent because as you said, it is co-owned already. Even if thejackal2012 gets his legal separation afterwards, the said property or its value will have to be divided between the 2 parties.
Yes your right sir... what you are suggesting is common, but unlawful.
pwede naman tayo bumile pwede nga natin baliin ang law gagawin ng mga real estate agent yan basta lang magkakumisyon sa pinas pa.. pero pag nadiskubre ni misis yan lagot... then kung ma approve yung legal seperation nila pwede naman i transfer ng wife nya ang full ownership sa name nya..however, transfer of properties already registered in your name will require your wife's consent and signature.
isang option kung talagang tiwala ka sa kinakasama mo ngayon bakit hinde mo sa kanya ipangalan ang property na bibilhin mo yun 100% ka na walang habol si misis pero pag namatay ka kawawa ang anak nyo ni misis wala sya habol sa property mo na yun..
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am not an expert on this matter sir, but how about buy the H&L under ur children's name....
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the above posters are correct, unless legally seperated kayo, lahat ng property ninyo inside of marriage is considered conjugal property kaya kadalasan, tulad ng sabi ng nasa taas ko, sa anak nila ito pinapangalan o sa kamag-anak
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maraming salamat po sa inyong lahat, isang malungkot pala na sitwasyon ito sa aking buhay.
to answer sir caligula question: di pa kami legally separated magkahiwalay lng kami ng bahay na tinutuluyan, ang plan ko is annullment in the future. 9 years old pa lang kasi ang anak ko,
pwede na ba sya mag may-ari ng mga property?
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pwedeng bumili ng lupa't bahay na walang signature ng asawa? oo, yun nga lamang eto ay bahagi ng absolute community.
pwede bang magbenta ng walang signature ng asawa? hinde, dahil eto ay absolute community at kelangan ang lagda ng asawa para maging legal ang bentahan.
*the answer is based on assumption that there was no marriage settlement before the marriage.
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Gusto ko pong hingin ang inyong payo about dito sa pagbili ko ng House and Lot.
Ganito po ang kwento.
Ako po ay married sa aking asawa pero kami ay matagal ng hiwalay. Hindi na rin kami madalas nagkikita at paminsan minsan na lng kapag gusto nya sunduin ang anak ko. Ngaun po gusto ko bumili ng Bahay at LUpa kaya nag inquire na ako isang subdivision. Pero nakakita ako ng sample ng kontrata ng isa nilang client at nabasa ko dito na lumabas kami pareho ang may ari ng bahay at lupa gayong dugo at pawis ko lamang ang ginamit ko para maipon ang pera. At ang masaklap kailangan pa ang pagpayag nya at pirma.
Tanong:
May Paraan po ba para mabago ito at gawing tanging ako lamang ang me pag aari sa bibilhing bahay at lupa?
Maraming salamat po sa inyo in advance..
As long as Kinasal kayo from August 3 1988 onwards, covered kayo ng Absolute community which means, as long as walang presence of prenuptial agreement, walang legal separation and hindi pa kayo aanuled any real properties invested duting the marriage kahit sayo lang naka name are conjugal. Same goes sa properties ng wife mo.
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maraming salamat po sa inyong lahat, isang malungkot pala na sitwasyon ito sa aking buhay.
to answer sir caligula question: di pa kami legally separated magkahiwalay lng kami ng bahay na tinutuluyan, ang plan ko is annullment in the future. 9 years old pa lang kasi ang anak ko,
pwede na ba sya mag may-ari ng mga property?
Below 18 is considered minor padin, a minor has no legal capacity to purchase a property. parents or guardians must buy on his/her behalf stating in the deed of sale that the subject of the sale is in trust for the said minor. Para pag reach nya ng 18 madali siya ma transfer from parent or guardian to minor.
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wow ang tatalino mga nagcomments,buti nlang wla ako pera na pambili ng bahay at mga ibang property atlis wlang hahabulin asawa ko skin kundi mga utang ko sa tindahan hehe (hiwalay nrin kc ako)kaya lng mhrap pko sa daga kaya wlang conjugal na paguusapan tnx!!
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una, 21 as majority ay limitado lamang sa marriage o yung itinakda ng batas otherwise 18 is the majority...
pangalawa, kahit na hiwalay in fact pag bumili yan ng real property ay bahagi pa rin ng absolute community....
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nice topic, may natutunan ako dito.
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ganda ng topic....marami rin akong natutunan.... one suggestion lang sa pagbili ng lupa.... how about ipangalan sa magulang mo sir tapos ask them to make a will and testament of some sort na sa iyo mapupunta ang house and lot to avoid conflict with other siblings kung mayroon man and will eliminate the claim of your almost ex-wife......
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re-suggestion na ipangalan sa parents tapos gagawa ang parents ng last will: Ang kumplikasyon dito, yung taxes at saka proseso para malipat. Kapag namatay na ang may last will, kailangan ipaapprove pa ito sa court sa tinatawag na probate proceedings tapos babayaran ang tinatawag na estate tax sa lahat ng property ng namatay.
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Default property regime po kasi sa batas ang conjugal property regime. Ibig sabihin lahat ng property ng bawat isa sa inyo ay property nyo nang dalawa. Kahit pa sabihing sa dugo at pawis mo galing yung pinang bili sa inyo paring dalawa yun. Panu po natin macounter ito? Dapat judicial separated kayo or annulled and marrage nyo. Sa mata po kasi ng batas ang mag asawa ay iisang persona lamang.
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re-suggestion na ipangalan sa parents tapos gagawa ang parents ng last will: Ang kumplikasyon dito, yung taxes at saka proseso para malipat. Kapag namatay na ang may last will, kailangan ipaapprove pa ito sa court sa tinatawag na probate proceedings tapos babayaran ang tinatawag na estate tax sa lahat ng property ng namatay.
Isa pang maaaring maging kumplikasyon ay ang BIR. Pwede kasing ipa-investigate ang parents kung mayroong silang capacity to acquire a property.
Ang ibig pong Sabihin ay, may savings or income ba sila na pambili ng property? Kung lalabas na walang kakayahan, BIR will treat this as a case of tax evasion / unreported income. Pati parents mo ngayon ay sasabit.
Para hindi sila Sumabit sa BIR kung wala sila capacity to purchase, Pwede kang gumawa ng deed of donation. Yun nga lang may tax dun. At pag sila na ang namatay, May tax ulit.
Mag-usap na lang kayong mag-asawa. File for legal separation or annulment.
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there is no necessity to require the signature of one spouses with regard to buying unless required by the financing institution...it would be different in selling the property
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well in that case hindi ka talaga puedeng bumili nang lupa at bahay na magiging pag aari mo lang.. puede mo naman kausapin misis mo, yung lupa at bahay na bibilhin mo ay mamanahin nang anak mo at wag na siya kamo maghabol dun, its better na ipaalam mo nalang sa asawa mo ang pag bili nang lupa at bahay..
isa pang option mo, bakit di mo nalang unahin ang annaulment mo? mas okey na makamit mo muna ang freedom mo tapos tsaka ka mag invest... kung binata ka na ulit eh iyong iyo ang bibilhin mong lupa't bahay..
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the issue of whether your wife has an interest in the acquired property is a different thing...but the fact is, one of the spouses may buy a lot without the signature of the other partner...of course, whatever acquired forms part of the absolute community and not conjugal as what others here wrongly suggest
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Hey salvediaz, for the benefit of members who's following this topic, can you please enlighten us on the differences between system of absolute community versus conjugal property.
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Hey salvediaz, for the benefit of members who's following this topic, can you please enlighten us on the differences between system of absolute community versus conjugal property.
Absolute community is a property relation wherein as a general rule, all the property and gains of respective husband or wife before their marriage will become their joined property after the marriage, conjugal partnership of gains, which is the proper term is a property relation wherein as a general rule, the properties belonging exclusively of the husband or wife before marriage will remain as their exclusive property after marriage, in this property relation only the property and gains of the exlusive propety of the husband or wife during marriage will form part of the community.
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Bossing, isa pa pong option nyo, assuming na magkasundo pa po kayo ng asawa nyo is to file for judicial separation of property para ma-dissolve yung absolute community, legal naman po yun lalo pa sa mata ng batas ay kasal pa po kayo. Naisip ko po i-sugest yun dahil yung problema nyo ay problema rin ng asawa nyo (i.e., lahat ng bibilhin nya ay 1/2 ang sayo).
Maganda po sya kung tipong matagal pa po bago kayo ma-file for annulment or legal separation, yun e kung matagal pa po yun. Pero kung malapit nyo na po gawin ay yung legal separation or annulment/declaration of nullity na lang po yung asikasuhin nyo dahil isasama na rin naman po yun dun. Paalala ko lang po na kung psychological incapacity ang gagamitin nyo as ground, kailangan patunayan nyo na yun ay existing na nung kayo ay ikasal. Kung gusto nyo po ng iwas pusoy, maipapayo ko po na kayo ay mag-file ng annulment or declaration of nullity sa halip na for legal separation, dahil yung sa legal separation po ay hiwalay lang po kayo pagdating sa pagmamay-ari ninyo pero di pa rin po kayo pwede makipagrelasyon sa iba dahil existing o buhay pa rin po ang kasal nyo. Baka mamaya ay kayo pa po ang magkaproblema kung sakaling gustuhin nyo po magpakasal muli kapag nagkataon, baka mayari pa kayo for concubinage kung sakali, bossing.
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sangayon ako kay raizen44, kung makakapaghintay pa ay dapat unahin ang pag file ng annulment or declration of nullity of marriage. tip lang po, kokonti ang na ga grant na annulment dito sa NCR. dapat po sa probinsya mag file
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Go for an annulment or a legal separation first. Even if you buy the house and lot and have it titled under the name of your kid/s, it would only be considered as an advance in their legitime (mamanahin sayo). Your spouse would still get a share. As the previous posters have noted, this is under the assumption that your marital property regime is absolute community of property.
There ARE ways for you to legally own the house and lot by yourself or deprive your wife of any share of your property but its quite finicky. Better and MUCH easier to break the bonds of marriage first.
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thank u sa lahat ng mga nag share ng nalalaman nila about the subject... very informative and i learnd so much...
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Regardless kung sps or married to nakalagay sa title, hindi maapektuhan ang pagiging absolute community nito in the absence of marriage settlement...in short, ang ginagawa ng ibang developer ay walang bisa sa kalagayan ng lupa...