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Tambayan ng mga Chicx at Tsonx => Entertainment Industry => Speed Talks => Topic started by: arthas™ on April 06, 2013, 12:49:38 AM
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mga bro na nagmamaneho jan, ask ko lang kung ano ang pros and cons ng engine brake. di ko kasi sya ginagawa. i put the gear to neutral then saka ako unti-unting preno. is that dangerous or advisable?
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Cons - wala ako maisip
Pros - less stress sa brakes di mangangamoy preno mo
some modern cars burn less gas when in engine brake
pag naka engine brake may parang certain speed limit na maseset hindi lalagpas dun yung takbo mo para kung sakaling hindi ma lose break o hindi kumagat preno mo hindi ka parin ganun kabilis
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Pros - all that previous poster said.
Cons - possible damage to your transmission.
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use engine brake especially when going downhill
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Use engine brake (downshifting) pag mabibitin ka sa overtake. Downshift to 3 or 2 then pedal to the metal.
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Use engine brake (downshifting) pag mabibitin ka sa overtake. Downshift to 3 or 2 then pedal to the metal.
dude, you're referring to downshifting alone, although engine brake entails shifting to lower gears, but what you are referring to is not the one you mentioned
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Marami-rami na rin na A/T meron manual selector so hindi ka mahihirapan mag-engine brake going downhill when using one.
Pwede rin, kapag gamay mo na yung shifting sequence, parang semi-automatic. Up-up-up-up... slowing down - down - down (let the revs catch) then brakes.
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As a driver you should practice engine brake maneuver because this is the safest way to suddenly reduce speed during high speed driving or during downhill driving lalo na kung walang ABS ang sasakyan mo.
Problema lang dito mas madali mapudpod ang clutch disk mo.
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good point
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Makasingit na po, maibahagi ang aking konting nalalaman.
Engine brake - one component ng sasakyan para bumagal ang takbo o ma maintain mo ang iyong speed. Ito po ang reaction nya pag di mo tinapakan ang gas pedal, yung throttle manifold nya ay magsasara para sa hangin, ibig sabihin mawawala ang ratio ng air-fuel ratio compression. Safe po ito gamitin, although meron maliit na percentage ng wear sa iyong clutch, depende kasi sa bigat ng iyong sasakyan. either mechanical convention or automatic ang gamit mo ay equal performance lang ang mangyayari sa kanila...
Sa engine brake, di ka masyado gagamit ng brakes at maiiwasan mapudpod ang gulong.
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PROS - magandang pakinggan kung nka aggressive cams and transmission auto kidding aside . . .engine break for me emergency use lang tipong sobrang bilis mo kailangan mo tlagang bumagal that's where you use engine break.
CON'S - Pag often use mas mabilis malalaspag engine mo. I'd rather replace a break pad instead masiraan ng mkina do the math . .kaya kung hindi naman kailangan mag engine break in high revs or speed just use the breaks . . .
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so advisable ba yung ginagawa ko na naka neutral then brake lang ang tatapakan? ginagawa ko kasi yan, sabi ng ibang kakilala ko delikado raw yun.
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so advisable ba yung ginagawa ko na naka neutral then brake lang ang tatapakan? ginagawa ko kasi yan, sabi ng ibang kakilala ko delikado raw yun.
Sa traffic(long stop), tama yung ginagawa mo. Kung hindi traffic, hindi ko alam sasabihin. Ginagawa ko lang kasi yung engine brake kapag kailangan. Kapag hindi, brake lang then shift down (kung kailangan) para makakuha ng power sa makina. Ito kasi yung turo sa akin.
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cons - more stress on the engine.
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so advisable ba yung ginagawa ko na naka neutral then brake lang ang tatapakan? ginagawa ko kasi yan, sabi ng ibang kakilala ko delikado raw yun.
Delikado yan lalo na pag mabilis ang takbo mo or downhill.
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Enginebrake in gear
Pros:
less wear on brakes
consumes less gas - EFI only (pag naka gear and coasting hindi nagiinject ng gas)
Less chance magoverheat brakes. Pero kung track overheat parin unless bbk.
Cons:
More wear on engine support
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tama - pang downhill ang engine brake. tumutulong ito sa normal brakes nyo habang palusong kayo ng bundok. kase pag aasa kayo sa normal brakes nyo lang all da wey e masusunog ang brakes nyo. very useful ito sa aken kase medyo mataas ang lugar namin.
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yung minivan ko automatic tapos 4-speed pa ang engine brake, from moderate braking upto hard engine braking.
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so advisable ba yung ginagawa ko na naka neutral then brake lang ang tatapakan? ginagawa ko kasi yan, sabi ng ibang kakilala ko delikado raw yun.
delikado yun kase malamang sunog ang brake mo. biruin mo yung bigat ng sasakyan mo e sa brake pads mo lang nakasalalay lalo na pag pababa ka ng takbo.
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Engine brake is there for a reason.
The reasons for using hand brake stated by co-PT Tambayers are all true and valid.
When you're in Baguio or Tagaytay or let us say basement parking lang going up and stuck in traffic, I can't imagine using only the brake pedal and neutral lang. Tiyak,aatras ka pag nag go na (unless matic car mo).
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Engine brake is there for a reason.
The reasons for using hand brake stated by co-PT Tambayers are all true and valid.
When you're in Baguio or Tagaytay or let us say basement parking lang going up and stuck in traffic, I can't imagine using only the brake pedal and neutral lang. Tiyak,aatras ka pag nag go na (unless matic car mo).
Pagdating sa mga matatarik na parking like sa Megamall, I use handbrake whenever na pila pataas ang mga sasakyan. delikado sa manual yan kasi aatras talaga. yung ginagawa ko naman pagtakbo, if ever tumaas ako sa 4th gear, I put the gear to neutral after, so tumatakbo pa rin ang car pero yung rpm bababa rin definitely. if nasa 40 na ang speedometer, I will then shift to 3rd gear para walang bitin. ang nakikita ko lang na pro nito is yung gas natitipid kahit paano. kawawa nga lang yung brake.
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Sa Manual Transmission walang problema to.
But if you're using Automatic Transmission, never pull the transmission to 2 unless driving in speeds under 40kph and to 1/L unless driving un speeds under 20kph.
Otherwise, magsisira ka na ng transmission mo.
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wala kang magiging problema kung engine brake lang ang gusto mo pero pwede ka magbigay nang problema sa auto mo
ex. running to 100km/h on gear 4 lets say 3500 - 3700 rpm
down shifting from 4rth gear to 2nd gear or first gear will make your engine gears failed .. just remember 1 gear per downshift wag 2 gears ang lalaktawan
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Naku no-no talaga ang mag-neutral tapos brake lang asahan mo. Kawawa naman ang brake mo. Lalo na wag mo gagawin pag pababa. Malaki naitutulong ng engine brake sa
preno.
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Naku no-no talaga ang mag-neutral tapos brake lang asahan mo. Kawawa naman ang brake mo. Lalo na wag mo gagawin pag pababa. Malaki naitutulong ng engine brake sa
preno.
naku yan pa naman ginagawa ko sir. pag pababa ng flyover i put the gear to neutral, pero im making sure na clear yung way ko kasi mahirap magbrake kapag palusong e. i have this experience na biglang nagfull stop yung nasa harap ko but im thankful kasi natimingan ko ang preno. katakot din pag may nakabuntot sa likod ko at ako ang pwedeng madale dito.
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Gamit na gamit yan pag bumaba ka ng baguio,
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Gamit na gamit yan pag bumaba ka ng baguio,
Haven't been to Baguio sir, but soon I hope to take a vacation there. Marami nga nagsasabi sa kin malaki ang tulong ng engine brake sa pagbaba ng Baguio. Mahirap daw kasi ang daan dun.
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Sakto sir arthas. "Ber" months na bukas. panalo na naman ang lamig dito sa baguio. dami na naman turista
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on long downhill drives, shifting to neutral and relying on your brakes alone is VERY dangerous especially with newer vehicles that are electronically controlled. Why? Kasi if mag stall makina mo at anytime, mawala ang brakes mo totally. Try nyo yung bagong Innova, turn it the engine off to simulate a stalled engine and then try nyo mag brake. Of course, find a safe road and a very slow speed when doing this experiment. It happened to me last year. My Innova stalled for no reason and I immediately lost my brakes. Buti na lang at hindi ako nag panic at mabagal lang speed ko.
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Sakto sir arthas. "Ber" months na bukas. panalo na naman ang lamig dito sa baguio. dami na naman turista
ganun ba sir, soon dadayo ako jan. busy pa kasi at walang time magbakasyon. makikita ko yung sinasabi nilang gamit ng engine brake hehehe ;)
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on long downhill drives, shifting to neutral and relying on your brakes alone is VERY dangerous especially with newer vehicles that are electronically controlled. Why? Kasi if mag stall makina mo at anytime, mawala ang brakes mo totally. Try nyo yung bagong Innova, turn it the engine off to simulate a stalled engine and then try nyo mag brake. Of course, find a safe road and a very slow speed when doing this experiment. It happened to me last year. My Innova stalled for no reason and I immediately lost my brakes. Buti na lang at hindi ako nag panic at mabagal lang speed ko.
yan din sinasabi nila sa kin. hirap mag adjust kasi nakasanayan ko na ang neutral pagtakbo. ramdam ko natitipid ko ng paunti unti ang gas pero aware akong kawawa ang brakes. city driving lang kasi ako and kapag aakyat ng mga province ibang usapan na. delikado na kapag nag neutral ako ng downhill. salamat sa pagshare sir.
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tama lahat ng sabi nila. engine brake is there for a reason. be it pababa ka ng baguio or tagaytay or just cruising in the city. pag tumaas na ng 40 ang speed mo, do not put your car in neutral and just rely on your brakes alone. delikado.
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ganun ba sir, soon dadayo ako jan. busy pa kasi at walang time magbakasyon. makikita ko yung sinasabi nilang gamit ng engine brake hehehe ;)
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Sa Antipolo lang,masasanay ka gumamit ng engine brake lalo na kung doon ang daan mo araw araw..lalo na pagbaba mo ng Teresa,Rizal at sa may Sumulong Highway,talagang kailangan mo lagi ng engine brake.. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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tama lahat ng sabi nila. engine brake is there for a reason. be it pababa ka ng baguio or tagaytay or just cruising in the city. pag tumaas na ng 40 ang speed mo, do not put your car in neutral and just rely on your brakes alone. delikado.
using the neutral method caused me to hit a tricycle 3 weeks ago. as i was trying to overtake a tricycle e blind curve pa naman nainis ako sa bagal nya i overtook it but surprised when 2 tricycles are on the opposite lane kung san ako nakaovertake. nahuli ang preno kasi nakaneutral ako. so my flasher and my bumper got scratches and dent. may insurance pa naman so i did not take it that seriously. kada palpak lesson learned na lang. i missed using the engine brake during this incident.
by the way here's the damage i'm talking about.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/07/yhe5e9a9.jpg)
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