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Title: attempted homicide
Post by: kid_yolub on March 19, 2013, 01:22:49 PM
baka may magawing abogado dito or law student i have an urgent question...help please
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: aDiDas on March 19, 2013, 11:51:19 PM
i-post mo lang tol, wag ka lang gumamit ng real name para safe.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on March 20, 2013, 11:39:30 PM
bakit po kasi nu ba nangyari or what?

post mu un sitwasyon baka may maisuggest kami na something sayo
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: bohica on March 23, 2013, 10:17:09 AM
Getting an answer from this board is a waste of time unless you can prove that the answer comes from a person of law.  All advises you get here needs to be vouched with a real-life lawyer.  Hence, double the effort.  Go out and talk to a lawyer, if you need legal advise.

The forum members, can however, point you to online sources or share their own experience but from my limited knowledge of law, each case is unique with its own unique sets of circumstances, motives, evidences and what have you.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: caligula on March 23, 2013, 11:17:21 AM
It gives me chills just reading the subject. I second Bohica's comment. If you seriously and urgently need help, hwag ka dito magsayang ng oras, get a legal counsel asap. Kung hindi ka involve and just trying to help somebody, go to a pro bono lawyer or check pinoylawyer.org for basic legal advise.

I would surmise though na nobody died and the circumstances is not pre-meditated if you're using the correct terminology. Sounds like a fight happened and the one involved may have pulled something deadly like a knife or a gun pero the act was not consumated. Still a felony by itself but not as severe as criminal manslaughter o murder.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: aDiDas on March 23, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
tama kayo pero may mga taong ibat iba ang pakay para itanong ito. maybe he is just asking for second opinion, o kaya bago sya humarap sa tunay na abogado kelangan nay muna magka-idea. pero kung urgent yang case na yan ang isang tao hindi mag-aaksaya ng panahon para magtanong tanong tulad ng forum. o kaya nman wala syang pambayad sa abogado, oo nandyan ang PAO ngunit alam nman natin hindi lahat inaaccomodate dito.

dati kasi itong board na to may mga lawyers na sumasagot or mga law students at nakakapagbigay nman sila ng mga advices. hindi ko lang alam kung nandito na ulit sila.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: charliehouse on March 24, 2013, 07:16:14 PM
Please bear in mind that it is his choice na magtanong muna, wala naman sigurong masama sa pagtatanong. Second may mga members rin tayong mga abogado. Third there are instances na magiging subjective ang pagkaclasify ng tao sa word na urgent lalo na pag ikaw ang nasa sitwasyon at di ka makaka assess ng maayo who knows it might turn out na hindi talaga urgent ang sitwasyon and i'd be a waste of money kung mag aavail kaagad ng real legal service.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: caligula on March 25, 2013, 02:47:26 AM
Well, it turns out hindi naman urgent. Nakita ko tong kid_yolub na to na nakatambay sa adult section at nagpapakasasa sa mundo ng kalibugan. If ever there's really a crime, this guy doesn't seem to care now.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: Ultraman80 on March 25, 2013, 01:06:19 PM
Is there even a term "attempted homicide"? seryosong tanong ba yan? Baka attempted suicide, pwede pa.

Attempted - Pinagtangakaan

Homicide - napatay mo ng hindi sinasadya

Frustrated - napigilan na pagtatangka

Murder - Planado mo yung pagpatay

Attempted Homicide - pinagtangkaan mong patayin ng hindi sinasadya?

I would understand if it was plain "homicide" or "frustrated murder" - Homicide - ibig sabihin hindi mo sinasadya, at kung sinadya mo man, hindi nagtagumpay at ang labas is frustrated murder.  ???
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: dimple on March 27, 2013, 05:19:28 AM
Getting an answer from this board is a waste of time unless you can prove that the answer comes from a person of law.  All advises you get here needs to be vouched with a real-life lawyer.  Hence, double the effort.  Go out and talk to a lawyer, if you need legal advise.

The forum members, can however, point you to online sources or share their own experience but from my limited knowledge of law, each case is unique with its own unique sets of circumstances, motives, evidences and what have you.

with all the respect to your opinion sir... If all the members will reply like the way you did for sure its a waste of time.. but not all people can afford to pay a lawyer.. at marami na po natulungan ang board na to as long as we can see the sincerity and legitimate of the  Queries.. plus the full details may mga members din po tayo na lawyers ang nag eefort na sumagot dito so napaka unfair naman ng comment nyo..
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: caligula on March 27, 2013, 08:55:46 AM
With all due respect also, it may not be a complete waste of time but the comment is not exactly devoid of merit either. The gravity of the TS's issue was evident on his chosen subject and his urgent call for help. It's not your ordinary run of the mill legal subject like petty offenses but it incriminates a serious criminal issue requiring established procedure and unequivocal interpretation of law. Maybe that's the danger of having this kind of discussion board where the person dispensing advises may not really be in a position to give it unless you can corroborate your legal credentials. Similarly to any medical forum where you can ask for a remedy for a simple headache or sprain but if a question involves major ailments such as cancer or heart ailments, only an accredited physician has the binding prerogative to recommend treatment.

If we can make this legal queries board moderated by members who as Bohica noted "persons of law", then we can reduce the danger of having a free-for- all unreserved and unregulated legal advises which I assure is not only irresponsible but downright reckless if somebody will naively follow an uneducated advise.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: dimple on March 28, 2013, 04:18:18 AM
With all due respect also, it may not be a complete waste of time but the comment is not exactly devoid of merit either. The gravity of the TS's issue was evident on his chosen subject and his urgent call for help. It's not your ordinary run of the mill legal subject like petty offenses but it incriminates a serious criminal issue requiring established procedure and unequivocal interpretation of law. Maybe that's the danger of having this kind of discussion board where the person dispensing advises may not really be in a position to give it unless you can corroborate your legal credentials. Similarly to any medical forum where you can ask for a remedy for a simple headache or sprain but if a question involves major ailments such as cancer or heart ailments, only an accredited physician has the binding prerogative to recommend treatment.

If we can make this legal queries board moderated by members who as Bohica noted "persons of law", then we can reduce the danger of having a free-for- all unreserved and unregulated legal advises which I assure is not only irresponsible but downright reckless if somebody will naively follow an uneducated advise.

Sir I just wonder where did you get the idea that the one who is moderating this board is not a "persons of law"? PT came up with this board at the first place to help and give advices to our fellow members but then in the end still its up to the member what will be his/her next move...  Admin aDiDas already explained

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tama kayo pero may mga taong ibat iba ang pakay para itanong ito. maybe he is just asking for second opinion, o kaya bago sya humarap sa tunay na abogado kelangan nay muna magka-idea. pero kung urgent yang case na yan ang isang tao hindi mag-aaksaya ng panahon para magtanong tanong tulad ng forum. o kaya nman wala syang pambayad sa abogado, oo nandyan ang PAO ngunit alam nman natin hindi lahat inaaccomodate dito.


maraming members na maaring gustong magka idea or walang pera na maghire kagad ng lawyer.. For sure he/ she can not rely only on this board alone as this board is just a guide or open opinion, perhaps like other board that all members can give their opinion and ideas.

In connection to the urgency of each case I dont think if the case is a matter of life and death eh may time pa sila mag "forum"  sabi mo nga di ba... it seems kid_yolub issue is not that urgent after all kase nakatambay pa nga sya sa adult section... and again Admin aDiDas mentioned this as well.

as I said this board helped a lot of member from the past and still we will continue to give advices as far as we can up to the extent we can recommend then an actual lawyer to their nearest location... ( naalala ko meron pa nga gusto pati pambayad sa abogado tulungan din daw sya) but then if a member like you or Bohica will questioned our goodwill eh wala na po kami magagawa dun... plus this board has a disclaimer on the rules and guidelines

Thank you ,Have a good day and GodBless!
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: caligula on March 29, 2013, 07:14:18 PM
We share the same goal: to help our members and to protect the site at the same time.
Good job ma'am and thank you. I rest my case.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: Lord Nok Von Hauten on March 29, 2013, 08:53:38 PM
Wow, ang galing naman ng mga ka members ko, dami kong natutunan ah...
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: kid_yolub on April 01, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
sorry mga bossing medyo nawala ng ilang araw, anyway just to address my concern, ito po ang nangyari..

8 years ago nasasak ako ng isang adik sa amin. nadakip after 2 years at na sentensyahan. last year nbigyan ng parole dahil nagkasakit (TB) at halos butot balat na, dahil maganda kain sa labas at sariwa ang hangin medyo nakarecover, yung concern ko that time kasi nakasaksak uli at nakalabas after 38 hours dahil daw yung nasaksak d pa nagdemanda. ang tanong ko po kung parolado ka at nakagawa ka uli ng krimen d ba dapat balik kulungan ka?ang sabi ng pulis sa kanila ay iba daw ang sa akin iba rin daw sa bago nyang biktima. what if magfile uli ako ng ibang kaso laban sa kanya  at kung anong kaso?

salamat po sa nagreply alam kung its better to ask for legal advice sa abogado mismo pero that time medyo nagugulahan lang ako sa sistema..salamat
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: dimple on April 01, 2013, 10:04:59 PM
sorry mga bossing medyo nawala ng ilang araw, anyway just to address my concern, ito po ang nangyari..

8 years ago nasasak ako ng isang adik sa amin. nadakip after 2 years at na sentensyahan. last year nbigyan ng parole dahil nagkasakit (TB) at halos butot balat na, dahil maganda kain sa labas at sariwa ang hangin medyo nakarecover, yung concern ko that time kasi nakasaksak uli at nakalabas after 38 hours dahil daw yung nasaksak d pa nagdemanda. ang tanong ko po kung parolado ka at nakagawa ka uli ng krimen d ba dapat balik kulungan ka?ang sabi ng pulis sa kanila ay iba daw ang sa akin iba rin daw sa bago nyang biktima. what if magfile uli ako ng ibang kaso laban sa kanya  at kung anong kaso?

salamat po sa nagreply alam kung its better to ask for legal advice sa abogado mismo pero that time medyo nagugulahan lang ako sa sistema..salamat

your question looks familiar i wonder if you are related to isko_y heheheh but anyway... my advice eh since may case ka na before it will be safer to talk to your lawyer na nag handle ng case mo before kase mas kabisado nya ang kaso mo at for sure alam nya ang gagawin

about sa tanong mo kasama sa kasunduan sa bawat parole case na hinde sila dapat mapasama sa ano mang gulo or worst magkasala ulit sa batas kundi mawawalan ng bisa ang parole agreement nila but then katulad nga ng sinabi mo hinde naman nag file ng report or nag demanda yung recent victim nung guy na nakasaksak sayo 8 years ago eh lumalabas na wala sya nilabag na batas sa parole nya ... but then kung ikaw ang mag sasampa ng case make sure you can gather your evidence and file a report to their parole officer or a manifestation to the court to revoke their parole. as I said talk to your LAWYER about this....

btw eh hinde ka naman ata ginugulo nitong guy na to ulit bakit parang monomonitor mo pa ang case nya heheheh  may personal na galit ka ba sa pagkakasaksak sayo? pati pag galing nya eh  parang masama ata loob mo hehehe tanong lang po  8)
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: Habagat12 on April 04, 2013, 09:16:30 AM
Parole is the release from imprisonment after serving the minimum penalty imposed under the Indeterminate Sentence Law (Act. No. 4103). It is granted by
the Board of Pardons and Parole. It does not result in full restoration of liberty as the parolee is still in the custody of the law because he is required to report personally to such government officials or other parole officers appointed by the Board of Pardons and Parole for a period of surveillance equivalent to the remaining portion of the maximum sentence imposed upon him or until final release and discharge by the Board.

There are conditions though for a parolee which he/she should follow once he/she is already integrated in the community.

The conditions on the grant of a parole are that the :

(1) parolee should report regularly and personally to the proper government official or
parole officer during the remaining period of his maximum sentence;
 (2) his residence may be limited and fixed or changed from time to time by the Board;
and
(3) that he shall not violate any of the laws of the Philippines.

If the parolee violates the condition of his parole, he shall be re-arrested and shall serve the remaining unexpired portion of the maximum sentence for
which he was originally committed to prison.

Now, if you are interested with this, go and report your concern to the Parole and Probation Administration, tel no. (02) 9293611, 9262711 and look for Ms. Fe Wong or Ms. Ayo Labastida they are both Probation and Parole Officers and they can give you the best possible advise since they breathe and eat parole and probation law.

I happen to know them when I conducted an  orientation at their office in Quezon City and again in Laguna together with Parole Officers from Region IV-A (Calabarzon). Good luck Sir and may justice be served.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: dimple on April 05, 2013, 05:15:54 AM
what can I say partner may libreng referal pa heheh naku baka mamaya eh sabihin nya nakuha nya number kay habagat12 sa PT hehehe patay tayo dyan!
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: Habagat12 on April 05, 2013, 08:45:16 AM
what can I say partner may libreng referal pa heheh naku baka mamaya eh sabihin nya nakuha nya number kay habagat12 sa PT hehehe patay tayo dyan!

Yun lang,hahaha!

Sir kid_yolub, sabihin mo na lang na may nag refer syo na friend na acquaintance mo lang at wag yung thru PT,hihihi!

Hi Boss Dimple! ;D
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: kid_yolub on April 07, 2013, 02:24:07 PM
salamat boss dimple at sa lahat ng nag comment. I already consulted my lawyer, isko_ y is my cousin. ang delikado lang dito ay iisang kalye lang kami at paglabas mo 20 meter lang bahay na rin nila, gabi na ako umuwi kung minsan galing trabaho. yung feeling na d ka safe sa lugar nyo.kaya ako rin may dalang proteksyon paglabas ng bahay... my lawyer already file a certain case at yung isang biktima tinulongan ko na ring mag file ng case sana yung warrant ma serve na. salamat sa lahat.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: c0rn3lius on April 07, 2013, 02:42:28 PM
sorry mga bossing medyo nawala ng ilang araw, anyway just to address my concern, ito po ang nangyari..

8 years ago nasasak ako ng isang adik sa amin. nadakip after 2 years at na sentensyahan. last year nbigyan ng parole dahil nagkasakit (TB) at halos butot balat na, dahil maganda kain sa labas at sariwa ang hangin medyo nakarecover, yung concern ko that time kasi nakasaksak uli at nakalabas after 38 hours dahil daw yung nasaksak d pa nagdemanda. ang tanong ko po kung parolado ka at nakagawa ka uli ng krimen d ba dapat balik kulungan ka?ang sabi ng pulis sa kanila ay iba daw ang sa akin iba rin daw sa bago nyang biktima. what if magfile uli ako ng ibang kaso laban sa kanya  at kung anong kaso?

salamat po sa nagreply alam kung its better to ask for legal advice sa abogado mismo pero that time medyo nagugulahan lang ako sa sistema..salamat


depende sa condition ng parole nya kung hanggang ilang taon, in your case, sentensyado pero nabigyan ng parole, okay lang yun, nasa discretion ng parole and probation kung dapat bigyan at kung gaano kahaba ang probation period nya...

let's say "under sa kaso mo"...nabigyan sya ng 2 years probation period, may mga kasama pang conditions yun na pwede nyang ika-disqualify sa priviledge na ibinigay sa kanya...

at habang nasa "probation period" pa sya, at nakagawa ulit ng bagay na pwedeng ikatanggal ng priviledge nya as probationer, pwede mong i-report yun sa parole and probation office or sa prosecutor kung saang branch of court nagkaroon ng hearing noon, at gagawa ng "motion" yung fiscal regarding sa violation of probation...


but, kung nakagawa ulit sya ng violation "after" ng ibinigay na probation period dun sa "kaso mo", at na-terminate na ng court yung probation period, meaning he is already a "free man", wala ka nang habol dun, tapos na yung kaso eh...yung bagong nasaksak, if ever na yung dapat mag pursue nung "case nya" against dun sa tao...


better check the records within the branch of court kung saan kayo nag-hearing noon para malaman mo yung status ng kaso
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: kid_yolub on April 07, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
thnx sa info bossing
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: mrbiggy11 on April 10, 2013, 12:06:00 PM
not a law student fyi, but i took some law subjects because i was planning to take law pero tinamad na, pag na parole ka meron mga terms and conditions yung paglaya mo, iba iba yun depende sa tao/case, it does not mean na pwede mo na gawin lahat, may authority ang estado na ibalik ka sa kulungan kung sa tingin nila ay nilabag mo ang mga prohibisyon na ibinigay nila. yung iba ngang napaparole pinagrereport sila every month for 2 years para lang mabantayan sila kahit nasa labas na sila
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: dimple on April 10, 2013, 01:52:56 PM
not a law student fyi, but i took some law subjects because i was planning to take law pero tinamad na, pag na parole ka meron mga terms and conditions yung paglaya mo, iba iba yun depende sa tao/case, it does not mean na pwede mo na gawin lahat, may authority ang estado na ibalik ka sa kulungan kung sa tingin nila ay nilabag mo ang mga prohibisyon na ibinigay nila. yung iba ngang napaparole pinagrereport sila every month for 2 years para lang mabantayan sila kahit nasa labas na sila

Sir thank you for contributing for our Legal board... ok lang po kung hinde kayo law student or lawyer... sayang naman at di nyo tinuloy... every opinion of our member is very useful para maliwanagan ang mga co member na may problema.. again thank you, Welcome po sa PT legal board and catch your Karma...
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: mackdaddyjrc on April 12, 2013, 01:11:50 AM
hahaha medyo dapat real lawyer yan booss
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: alphaomega on May 09, 2013, 06:16:59 PM
nung elementarya p lng ako \... akala ko pag sa bahay niyari homeside n yun,..
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: mico on May 20, 2013, 04:36:02 PM
nung elementarya p lng ako \... akala ko pag sa bahay niyari homeside n yun,..

Pareho tayo pre, my isa pa nga ko akala na pag sa labasniyari eh ang tawag dun: Outside? ay sorry sa thread, para lamg maiba kasi umiinit po yung topic.
Title: Re: attempted homicide
Post by: karlkutu on July 06, 2013, 03:18:57 PM
sorry mga bossing medyo nawala ng ilang araw, anyway just to address my concern, ito po ang nangyari..

8 years ago nasasak ako ng isang adik sa amin. nadakip after 2 years at na sentensyahan. last year nbigyan ng parole dahil nagkasakit (TB) at halos butot balat na, dahil maganda kain sa labas at sariwa ang hangin medyo nakarecover, yung concern ko that time kasi nakasaksak uli at nakalabas after 38 hours dahil daw yung nasaksak d pa nagdemanda. ang tanong ko po kung parolado ka at nakagawa ka uli ng krimen d ba dapat balik kulungan ka?ang sabi ng pulis sa kanila ay iba daw ang sa akin iba rin daw sa bago nyang biktima. what if magfile uli ako ng ibang kaso laban sa kanya  at kung anong



salamat po sa nagreply alam kung its better to ask for legal advice sa abogado mismo pero that time medyo nagugulahan lang ako sa sistema..salamat
Sir, mali po yung sabi na kung hin di pwede mag demanda yung vicrtim after 38hours. Siguro po ang ibig nila sabihin ay di pwede ikulong lagpas ng 38hours hanggat walang kasong naifile.
Pwede po ibalik yan sa kulungan dahil naviolate nya conditiuons ng parole nya. at kung kakasuhan po nyan magiging agravating po yung previos kaso nya kasi pwedeng recidivism, quasi recidivist or reiteration ang labas nyan.
 kung pwede kang mag sampa ng kaso? ang tanung anung kaso? at may standing to sue kaba? or may right ka ba na violate noya?
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