yeah, i think the 80's and 90's are the golden age of nba. jordan popularized the sports (with 2 threepeats), the magic and bird rivalry (lakers and celtics too), the bad boys of detroit, hakeem's houston rockets and many great players such as charles barkley, karl malone, john stockton, dominique wilkins, isiah thomas, glenn rice, mitch richmond, reggie miller, tim hardaway, patrick ewing, gary payton, david robinson, clyde drexler, chris mullin, joe dumars, young shaq, scottie pippen and alonzo mourning to name a few.
the level of play is not as high as it used to be, and i know that a lot of people in the league might be surprised to hear such comments coming from fans because they really did everything they could to make fans believe that the game became better by changing the rules to allow players to put huge numbers and break records, they marketed (and still do it) the idea of a "next michael jordan", try to make the public believe they found him in so many players,they use slogan like "players are bigger, faster, stronger" or "the game evolved" but the truth is players are not as good as their peers from the 80's and 90's. when you look at those games you just see it how players were skilled, a lot more fundamentally sound. seems like everybody knows how to shoot the ball,the intensity (level of effort) is incredible (specially in the playoffs), the level of the defense is a lot higher, the game is so much more physical and you have a lot more centers,the game is more collective etc. so after the departure of a figure like jordan in 98, the downfall of an incredible generation of players (age), the permission for players to come directly from high school without solid fundamentals, the money they are given at such young age, the hype they enjoy, the change of rules to help offensive players to put big numbers, the lock out in 99, the disapearance of the physical aspect of the game...all those factors contributed to the game that is played today.
plus there is a lot less flopping during the 80s/90s than today lol.
yeah, i think the 80's and 90's are the golden age of nba. jordan popularized the sports (with 2 threepeats), the magic and bird rivalry (lakers and celtics too), the bad boys of detroit, hakeem's houston rockets and many great players such as charles barkley, karl malone, john stockton, dominique wilkins, isiah thomas, glenn rice, mitch richmond, reggie miller, tim hardaway, patrick ewing, gary payton, david robinson, clyde drexler, chris mullin, joe dumars, young shaq, scottie pippen and alonzo mourning to name a few.
the level of play is not as high as it used to be, and i know that a lot of people in the league might be surprised to hear such comments coming from fans because they really did everything they could to make fans believe that the game became better by changing the rules to allow players to put huge numbers and break records, they marketed (and still do it) the idea of a "next michael jordan", try to make the public believe they found him in so many players,they use slogan like "players are bigger, faster, stronger" or "the game evolved" but the truth is players are not as good as their peers from the 80's and 90's. when you look at those games you just see it how players were skilled, a lot more fundamentally sound. seems like everybody knows how to shoot the ball,the intensity (level of effort) is incredible (specially in the playoffs), the level of the defense is a lot higher, the game is so much more physical and you have a lot more centers,the game is more collective etc. so after the departure of a figure like jordan in 98, the downfall of an incredible generation of players (age), the permission for players to come directly from high school without solid fundamentals, the money they are given at such young age, the hype they enjoy, the change of rules to help offensive players to put big numbers, the lock out in 99, the disapearance of the physical aspect of the game...all those factors contributed to the game that is played today.
stop comparing, ito yung punto dito..
pero sabihing average player lang si LBJ sa era nila is very shallow analysis..
Look, Pippen & Alonzo Mourning picks LBJ over Jordan...
Karl Malone includes LBJ to his team but not Jordan..
Jordan picks Kobe over LBJ. (But remember also, Jordan drafted Kwame Brown as first pick of Bobcats)
Different opinion.. Different analysis..
At 6'8" who have the strength of a power forward but have a athleticism of a point guard. A person who can play center to PG, this is very rare specimen in NBA.
Jordan anyway is limited only to SG and SF.
Naalala ko si Rodman kay Marc Pingris lol
LBJ Fan ka ba? Haha Napansin lang nila kung paano idominate ni Lebron yung game, vs teams na walang defense or walang pang match up sa kanya. Yup sobrang athletic nya and at 6'8 250 lbs, hirap bantayan. Pero as fans, laki ng difference ng physicality ng era nila noon sa ngayon, Rodman speaks out his opinion as a Defender sa tingin nya kayang kaya nya bantayan si LBJ. Hindi pa talamak ang flops noon, hard nosed defense lang.
The point is lesser na yung physicality ng game, konting hawi lang magrereklamo na mga players e or magflop agad. About kay Karl Malone not picking Jordan, it was a joke for Dan Patrick na nag interview kay Malone - Dan Patrick had a man crush on MJ from the time we started the interview. I was just messing with him.
LBJ fan, what the heck are u talking?
LBJ and Jordan is just a trash for me, they are just over rated players.. They are just a product of media hype..
O! O! Chill! 8) ganyan chill! Na offend ka ba na tinawag kang LBJ fan? 8) naisip ko lang na fan ka the way you defended and compare LBJ from MJ according sa mga statements ng other players. Hahahahahahah
No...I disagree about the media hype and overrated, kasi they both deserve the spotlight! Plus NBA MVP, CHAMPS, and Hall of Fame/Future HOF can never be compared to a TRASH...Unlike you - HAHAHA JK :-)
there are few players who are better from jordan or lebron in terms of talent, skills, accomplishment and competitiveness but not in the same spotlight.
if there is no media, i dont think Jordan will be the greatest ever...
yea Jordan doesn't need the Media to be considered as the greatest ever, you just need to watch him with his offensive and defensive skills, read/research his Achievements, wikipedia and basketball reference is free bruh. Considering that he played during the mid 80s til the late 90s. Era where you can contest slashers and shooters without worrying too much about getting fouls. More physical resistance against your defender,
Also name player/s that are better than Jordan and Lebron, statistically and skill wise. I'm curious.
aha..
just watch and you already know that he is the greatest player? are u really serious?
offensive? defensive? do u know what are you talking?
how about achievements? did you know who is the most accomplished nba player in nba history?
so poor that you just only watch MJ played basketball and read his achievement and you keep on acting like u know the NBA. There are a lot of players in NBA, look at their profile first before u say anything....
LBJ fan, what the heck are u talking?
LBJ and Jordan is just a trash for me, they are just over rated players.. They are just a product of media hype..
How ironic that i become an NBA guru in ur eyes..
I'm not of course. Im just a curious person that look from all the "nba greats" before commenting here..
You know Bill Russell dude? It's time to make a little research about him..
And after that, sabihin mo sa akin kung paanong naging mas magaling kesa sa kanya si Jordan..
And after that i will tell you one person "who" really dominates basketball game..
parekoy ilang taon ka na ba?
di ganyan ang pagreresearch. nakakita ka lang ata ng isang article, balik ka na dito at nagpost ka na..
sige ganito na lang.. paliwanag ko sayo ng konti, team impact ang tawag dito..
a. ano bang status ng boston bago dumating at umalis si Russell tapos ikumpara mo sa status ng Bulls bago dumating at umalis si Jordan.. tapos sabihin mo sa akin kung sinong mas may impact sa kanila..
b. dun naman sa sinasabi mong 10 teams eh kung iintindihin mo lang mas mahirap yun kasi concentrated ang magagaling sa isang team. Hal. yung last pick ngaun ng isang team sa first round eh pang 3rd round pick na nun.. saka ang situation nun mas mahirap kesa ngayun, sweldo, travel, accomodation, etc.
3. If u are talking about dominance, It's Chamberlain,
Russell is not dominant like Wilt as shown in his career average in points..
Actually di naman related sa topic natin yung pagtanong ko ng idad mo, para ka kasing nasa elementary level kung magresearch kaya akala ko tuloy bata ang kausap ko. evaluate and dig deeper yun sana ang gusto kong maintindhan mo.
ang haba ng sinagot mo pero naintindihan mo ba ang team impact na sinasabi ko?
sabihin na nating totoo ang mga sinabi mo pero isa lang ang itatanong ko, anong lagay ng Boston, bago at umalis si Russel? HOF ba kamo, saan nadala ng HOF na yan ang Boston ng wala si Russell?
At anong lagay ng Boston habang nasa roster nila si Russell?
compared 72 games of 1960 and 82 games of 1990's,
parang ganito lang yan, dito sa amin nung 1960's, kalabaw ang sinasakyan namin pero ngayon naka motor na kami.. what im saying 10 games lang ang gap nung laro pero pagdating sa gamit, accomodation, pag travel, sahod, conditioning, etc. sobrang layo nang 1960 sa 1990's.. mataas siyempre ang 82 sa 72, pero kung gagamitan mo ng konting sense, mas mahirap maglaro sa panahong yun.
Wilt as a GOAT, your kidding again..
there are few players who are better from jordan or lebron in terms of talent, skills, accomplishment and competitiveness but not in the same spotlight.
if there is no media, i dont think Jordan will be the greatest ever...
Okay Manong Dimmu! I realized a lot of things, got time to really watch some videos about Bill Russell, and he won with Defense. In terms of impact for a team, he tops it all. Agreed!
But there are still a lot of facts that allowed him to do that:
fewer nba teams means fewer times to adjust against your opponent kasi kabasido mo na sila, lesser fatigue etc. (u dont have to fly to 30 different state), fewer playoff games for a quicker road to championship. Konti lang athletic and really talented sa era nila (easier for him to defend and rebound) Medyo imbalance ng konti kasi stacked ng future HOF ang boston palagi. Whether you agree or not, palagi nandyan yan.
About him being a player-coach, it is common sa era nila. After winning 9 championship with Red Auerbach then nagretire, alam na alam na ni Bill Russell yung systema ng team since he has high Basketball IQ. If he started his career as a player coach or started it early, that would be another story. Perhaps kung allowed pa rin sa era yan nila Magic Johnson or til now, malamang Player coach rin si Magic or si Kidd.
I based most of my replies sa mga players ng 80s-90s toughest NBA Era for me, where most players have to take a lot of beating from cheap shots and physical plays kaya greater yung respect ko kanila Magic, Bird, Jordan, Robinson, Hakeem, Wilkins etc.... I'm biased sa era na yan. At syempre gaya ng sabi mo Media Hype si Jordan, despite that advantage he's proven himself in all sort of categories (impact, stats, etc). If Utah Jazz or Phoenix Suns won championships instead na Bulls, most likely Karl Malone and/or Barkley will get the Media's attention. Not Jordan, not Pippen, not Phil Jackson.
di ako umaayon sa sinasabi mong mismatch kasi kung talagang mas magaling ang Boston eh bakit kahit sa play offs di sila nakapasok pagkaalis ni Russell? Ibig sabihin, si Russell ang nag iisang anchor ng Boston. Kaya sila gumaling eh dahil kay Russell
Ang tanong ko si Jordan ba ginawang magaling ang mga ka team mates? isang malaking hindi ang sagot dyan.. Dyan pa sila nagkakaiba ni Russell.Medyo malawak ang category of making teammates better. For Jordan, he's a scorer and stats padder aka all around player. He's taking away shot opportunity from his teammates, but still he passes the ball, hindi sya makakakuha ng 8.0 assist per game during 88-89 season if he's not. Kaya nga palagi nila sinasabi nung nawala si Jordan, tumaas stats ng halos lahat sa Bulls esp. Pippen, but they did that to distribute Jordan's contribution(stats) to the team among themselves, not just Pip, meaning someone has to take more shots, rebound more, pass the ball. But did he made them better? In Phil Jackson's system he didn't bec. MJ will take most of the credit running the offense, and he has the options whether he takes more shots or pass it to the open man. Pippen took that role of making his teammates better.
Sa versatility, Jordan cannot even play 5 positions unlike James or Magic..
He is not dominant like Chamberlain.
Basketball IQ, malayo sya kay Russell..
Importance nya sa team, talo sya ni Russell.
Championship, talo sya ni Russel.
Making team mates better, talo din sya ni Russell.