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Title: china vs india
Post by: jhoni on May 29, 2013, 06:23:47 PM: Ayan talagang katibayan nanadya na talaga CHINA ,,, ultimo super power na India tinatalo ....
nagtayo na ng mga baracks sa border at teritoryo na ng India .....

April 30, 2013

Chaitra Krushnapaksha 5, Kaliyug Varsha 5115

Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid’s upcoming visit to China on May 9, has come under criticism as China has pitched one more tent near the face-off site in Depsang Valley, taking to five the number of such structures erected after the incursion on April 15 and denting the Government’s assessment that the standoff was a localised affair and would be resolved soon.

In fact, post prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s statement over the issue, External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid too claimed that the tension will likely have been resolved even before he leaves for Beijing to prepare for Chinese Premier Li Keqiang’s upcoming visit to India. Hope, as has been famously said, isn’t a strategy, and the Indian leaders’ pronouncements only highlights the sense that they are in public denial or skirting the issue.

According to media reports, however, in the latest incursion, the Chinese troops have put up five tents so far, which suggests that they – and the military leadership under whose orders the troops on the ground are acting – are not making any effort to resolve the issue but are actively escalating it.

These media reports also inform that the Chinese troops are also waving banners establishing Chinese territorial rights to the area. “You are in (the) Chinese side,” proclaim these banners, which are evidently directed at the Indian troops that have set up camp nearby to keep watch on the Chinese soldiers.

The Indian Government’s response to the crisis so far has been one of restraint in the face of public dares from the Opposition to stand up for India’s territorial integrity. On Monday, Samajwadi Party leader Mulayam Singh Yadav, who served as Defence Minister, called the UPA Government an assortment of colourful names to draw attention to its placidity in the face of the grave Chinese provocation. His characterisation of China – not Pakistan – as India’s real enemy may have been overly simplistic, and made with political calculations in mind.

And yet the perception that the UPA Government has been less than robust in protecting national interests, and not just vis-a-vis China, is of course more widely shared.

Evidently, the Indian Army has provided the political leadership with a range of options that are open to it if the Chinese don’t leave the site anytime soon. Presumably these options would involve cutting off the supply lines to these troops, which would put a cap on the number of days they can hold out here. More extreme options – of forcibly evicting the 30-or-so Chinese troops – would also have been considered, perhaps as part of a scenario-building exercise to draw up contingency plans. But that would truly be the option of the last resort, given the very real risk of a heightened conflict that it comes with.

In fact, there is a very little percentage for the Indian side in being drawn by the nose into a border conflict with a much stronger China. After all, it was an adventurist ‘forward policy’ that Jawharlal Nehru embraced that led to the 1962 war. At that time too, Nehru was at the receiving end in Parliament by the Opposition for his Government’s naive “bhai-bhai” approach to China despite ample evidence that that brotherly sentiment was not reciprocated. And although both countries have come a long way away from 1962, the irony of today’s situation is that it is the Chinese troops that are testing Indian resolve with their own unstated “forward policy’.

But having considered all of the options that the Army put on the table, the political leadership appears to have opted to go out of its way to signal to the Chinese that they are keen to avoid an escalation in the level of tension. Key interlocutors, including national security advisor Shivshankar Menon, who knows a thing or two about dealing with the Chinese and has invested much effort in building up goodwill in Beijing, are also counselling restraint.

According to the Times of India’s report, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops numbering over 30 have also been spotted using one light Humvee-like four-wheel vehicle, one six-wheel troop carrying vehicle and one heavy eight-wheel truck between the face-off site with Indian troops and their tents 500 metres to the east. They also have two sniffer-guard dogs suitable for the 16,300-feet altitude.

Although the Chinese troops have not engaged in offensive manoeuvres so far, but their staying put questions the assessment of the PMO and the MEA that the intrusion was a localised affair: result of overzealousness on the part of a local commander. If that was indeed the case, the springing of a new tent showed that the Chinese leadership was yet to rein in a rogue commander in the Chinese ranks.

In fact, an Indian official was quoted as saying, “We are restricting our troops from Ladakh Scouts and ITBP to just about 50 to 60 at the site to prevent any escalation. If they increase their force-levels, we will have to do the same,”.

The Indian government has been trying hard to play it down the issue as a ‘localised problem” — without any larger politico-strategic message – which had erupted due to a differing perception of where exactly the Line of Actual Control lies.

Perhaps this incursion was intended by the new Chinese leadership to signal Chinese frustration at the lack of progress in the talks on the border dispute despite years of negotiations. If that is the case, then it reflects raw power, not wisdom, and this actually makes it harder for the Indian Government to make any concession, even if it is on a reciprocal basis.

Meanwhile in Ladakh, in order to resolve the issue of incursion by Chinese troops into Indian territory, India and China on Tuesday held their third flag meeting in Chushul but the stand-off between the two sides continues as no major breakthrough was achieved in the meet.

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/161...territory.html (http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/161...territory.html)
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: Prime™ on June 02, 2013, 10:59:48 AM: Interesting. Tensions among BRICs eh?

India is no Tibet, papalag to if you backed them into a corner. May Nuclear din ito and madami din conscripts.

I'm sure they will find a way to settle this issue peacefully. Mahirap talaga pag may katabi kang ganyan. Haha
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: tonistork on June 02, 2013, 09:33:41 PM: talagang dumadami mga kaaway ng mga hinayupak na mga singkit at beho na mga ito.
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: ¿m☺ÿ on June 05, 2013, 04:04:58 PM: magandang laban ito but i hope it will not come to that..... isipin mo 2 of the most populated countries in the world naggigirian.... sino kaya ang mas malakas yung mahilig kumakain ng chapati o yung mahilig kumain ng noodles....?
Title: china vs india
Post by: Prime™ on June 05, 2013, 06:17:03 PM: Quote from: imoy on June 05, 2013, 04:04:58 PM
magandang laban ito but i hope it will not come to that..... isipin mo 2 of the most populated countries in the world naggigirian.... sino kaya ang mas malakas yung mahilig kumakain ng chapati o yung mahilig kumain ng noodles....?

Mas malakas? China for sure.

Pero India is no push over either. It will cost them both a whole lot if they resorted to open aggression; Something rival states would only be too happy to see and both countries know this. Kaya malabo for them to battle it out. Well at least not in the conventional way.

I'de worry more about the developments in Israel, Russia and Syria. That right there is more of a potential powder keg.

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Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: ¿m☺ÿ on June 05, 2013, 10:38:37 PM: Quote from: Prime™ on June 05, 2013, 06:17:03 PM
Mas malakas? China for sure.

Pero India is no push over either. It will cost them both a whole lot if they resorted to open aggression; Something rival states would only be too happy to see and both countries know this. Kaya malabo for them to battle it out. Well at least not in the conventional way.

I'de worry more about the developments in Israel, Russia and Syria. That right there is more of a potential powder keg.

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yea, i agree... kasi knowing india hindi sila gagawa ng hakbang kung hindi sisimulan ng China....
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on June 05, 2013, 10:47:45 PM: as expected lagi na lang china ang may issue

pati ba naman yun india tataluhin pa poh grabe talaga
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: ¿m☺ÿ on June 06, 2013, 11:59:03 PM: Quote from: xxxchoholic Rai on June 05, 2013, 10:47:45 PM
as expected lagi na lang china ang may issue

pati ba naman yun india tataluhin pa poh grabe talaga

desperate na siguro ang china, kasi although super power sila sa asia at mataas ang economy nila.... nahihirapan pa rin silang suportahan ang demand nila lalo na sa fuel.....na magpapatakbo ng kanilang machinery
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on June 07, 2013, 11:32:26 PM: talagang desperado na sila para magpalakas pa

at sadyang medyo makikitid rin talaga utak nila sa mga bagay bagay
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: fayt on June 08, 2013, 07:41:19 AM: Well, china wants to show all their neighborhood that they are poweful. A force to reckon with. But India is no weak country in terms of economy and military... Marami kaya mayayaman na indian na mas mayaman pa sa mga negosyante ng china..

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Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: Prime™ on June 08, 2013, 08:19:38 AM: Ah oo.

Hindi basta basta ang India dahil constantly may threat yan sa Pakistan. Sanay din yan sa conflict. Papalag yan pag tinulak masyado, and nililigawan din ng America yan. Bukod jaan, pareho nang matatanda yang dalawang civilization na yan, show down yan pag nagkataon.

Mananalo ang China against India pero at the cost na her very existence as a Major power eh mawala or severly weakend. Because of the weakened China, malamang people will start revolting and in the middle of the confusion, South Korea will take the north, Japan will flex her muscles, Taiwan will ignore her more and lalakas lalo ang loob na independent talaga sila, American factories will move out dahil sa kaguluhan, Vietnam will take away contested territories, even Philippines baka makisawsaw.

At the end of the day. A smaller, weaker, politically unstable China, a unified American friendly Korea, A stronger Japan, A pompous Taiwan, A more economically formidable Vietnam and Philippines due to the sudden influx of the factories looking for cheap labor, and well west phillipine sea up for grabs again.

I don't think she will risk all that and far worse just for a little tussle with India. Like I've said, India is no Tibet. She will take a chunk out of you. China will only risk a major military conflict if her very existence is threatened.

Anyway this is all hypothetical. I mean who really knows right? Except siguro if si Nostradamus ka.

Pero don't give too much clout to China. She is also walking on very unstable waters. Throughout her history wolves have been everywhere.

Even Mongolia, that funny technologically abyssmal country in the north made minced meat of mighty China ng ganon ganon nalang when they grew too complacent.

Kinakahaban din yan kahit papaano and her future isn't that certain that it is set in stone. Life is full of surprises.

The problem with being a major power is there is always that looming existential threat if you made the wrong step.

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Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: tonistork on June 08, 2013, 08:15:17 PM: natumbok mo Mr. Prime.

isa kang henyo. :)
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: Prime™ on June 09, 2013, 03:41:54 PM: Quote from: storks11 on June 08, 2013, 08:15:17 PM
natumbok mo Mr. Prime.

isa kang henyo. :)

Haha cheers bro.

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Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: luminukawa on June 09, 2013, 05:34:07 PM: grabe naman ung panu pala tau ???
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Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: shygurl on June 11, 2013, 02:51:58 AM: Mag gyerahan na dalawang yan at para malimutan saglit ang pagkimkim ng dagat natin.
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: THE ANIMAL on June 12, 2013, 04:44:28 PM: Kailangan ng brasuhin ang china para magising sa kahibangan nya.
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: r3yes on June 17, 2013, 08:12:30 AM: nakakatakot yan. anything can trigger world war 3 and pag ww3 na, bye bye na.
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: kis on June 30, 2013, 09:33:30 AM: Sobrang sakim kasi ng China eh. No wonder kung bakit marami silang nakakairingang bansa.
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: payazoxiii on August 21, 2013, 10:05:48 AM: hehehe takte n mga beho yan tgnan ntn uubra cla sa kilikili power ng mga pana
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: jboyzxxx on August 21, 2013, 01:54:26 PM: labanan ng parehong mababaho!! ahehehehe!!
i wonder kung ano mangyayare sa kanila..
Title: Re: china vs india
Post by: Itachi101 on August 21, 2013, 05:58:43 PM: lahat na lang inaangkin ng china >:( :o