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Tambayan ng mga Chicx at Tsonx => General Discussion => Topic started by: caligula on May 21, 2013, 09:50:32 AM
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The more I look at it, sa nagiging takbo ng mga eleksyon and how ignorance dominates the electorate at sa naoobserbahan ko rin sa US na nagiging lame duck si Obama dahil sa inadequecy of congress due to partisanship, I'm beginning to think that democracy had reached an impasse.
Anong say nyo?
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Democracy (the concept) works. Those who are the most popular with the people win. The problem is, the masses aren't informed enough, and thus it is not necessarily the best who win.
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I am not sure if it ever has worked. Anyway, a choice of democracy as opposed to what in your mind?
Sa pilipinas, democracy just make it more costly for those nepotist who will otherwise be in power anyway.
Sa US? Run and controlled by lobbyist and corporations if you asked me. Even the Federal reserve itself is said to be a private banking cartel. May even gotten Lincoln killed.
Perhaps democracy will work when the electorate evolves. When? I have no idea.
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Sobrang abused ang democracy dito sa pinas, lalo pa now na parang ang pinoy ay lague nalang nakadepende sa sinasabi ng Media...
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Sobrang abused ang democracy dito sa pinas, lalo pa now na parang ang pinoy ay lague nalang nakadepende sa sinasabi ng Media...
Right. The media king makers. Alam kasi nila ang ulo ng tao napaka daling bilugin.
Propaganda is everywhere these days. Even in the most innocent of things, subconciously gina-guide na pala ang opinion mo right under your nose.
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Totoo yan, isa pa sabi ko sa isang thread nakakatakot sa Pilipinas ang democracy sobra sobrang naaabuso, kumbaga mga Pinoy kaunting Problema, Rally agad? ayaw sa Leader, oust agad? hindi ba pwedeng sundin ano sinasabi ng Batas.
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Democracy isn't the problem. It's the people running the govenrment and the lack of middle class. We got too much class C, D and E na nauuuto madali ng mga lecheng pulitiko.
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A lot of problems on democracy are blamed on the people abusing it. Either by the Leaders or the constituency.
Now there are two questions that arise from this statement,
First are we mature enough as a race, a nation, to handle a democracy? is Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore right after all when he states that we South East Asians because of our cultural, historical background are not ready for a western type of democracy?
Second, can't there be a universal template for democracy?
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Totoo yan, isa pa sabi ko sa isang thread nakakatakot sa Pilipinas ang democracy sobra sobrang naaabuso, kumbaga mga Pinoy kaunting Problema, Rally agad? ayaw sa Leader, oust agad? hindi ba pwedeng sundin ano sinasabi ng Batas.
Agreed. Kaya nga ako tinamad bumoto. Banana republic and dating eh.
I don't care much for Erap, pero I think he won a landslide victory nung presidential elections only to be ousted by a few thousands, and palitan ng mas karumal dumal pang nilalang.
The guy won, and the people have spoken. Why was it so easy for them to knock him off?
10 years you can't oust the last administration, kahit andami ng kaso and whistle blowers, kabikabilang mga impeachment Trojan horse.
Pero itong isa? Jueteng? There are no saints here, and I have no horse in this race pero obviously some strings are being pulled and the people (who are supposed to be in charge) as always is none the wiser.
It's a dog and pony show.
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A lot of problems on democracy are blamed on the people abusing it. Either by the Leaders or the constituency.
Now there are two questions that arise from this statement,
First are we mature enough as a race, a nation, to handle a democracy? is Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore right after all when he states that we South East Asians because of our cultural, historical background are not ready for a western type of democracy?
Second, can't there be a universal template for democracy?
Good insights yanzmyk and amy2004.
Universal template for democracy? Care to elaborate amy2004?
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Fantastic insights mga bro and gals.
Prime hit something that made me question if democracy is still effective. Kung paano nito binabandera na para ito sa masa, na ito ang vox populi o boses ng nakararami. But this runs contrary to the engine of the economy under the democratic process which is free enterprise. At the end of the day, people chose what they want, they enjoy relative freedom but the wealth of the nation is still controlled by the 10% of the population. Come election time, candidates lobby for these oligarchs' contribution and favors are reciprocated, etcetera.
Just some rambling thoughts that keep me on the toilet seat longer. But what's the alternative? Ika nga sa senado, don't complain and shut up if you don't have a proposal.
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Nagiging Weapong ng Ruling Oligarch Class ang Masa and using democracy as a mask para magawa ang gusto nila.
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Agreed. Kaya nga ako tinamad bumoto. Banana republic and dating eh.
I don't care much for Erap, pero I think he won a landslide victory nung presidential elections only to be ousted by a few thousands, and palitan ng mas karumal dumal pang nilalang.
The guy won, and the people have spoken. Why was it so easy for them to knock him off?
10 years you can't oust the last administration, kahit andami ng kaso and whistle blowers, kabikabilang mga impeachment Trojan horse.
Pero itong isa? Jueteng? There are no saints here, and I have no horse in this race pero obviously some strings are being pulled and the people (who are supposed to be in charge) as always is none the wiser.
It's a dog and pony show.
In my opinion, what happened during the Edsa 1 and 2, I don't call it Democracy, I don't like Marcos, I don't like Erap either, Nor GMA, but the Edsa 1 and 2 for me is what You call a "Mob Rule" disguising as democracy.
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In my opinion, what happened during the Edsa 1 and 2, I don't call it Democracy, I don't like Marcos, I don't like Erap either, Nor GMA, but the Edsa 1 and 2 for me is what You call a "Mob Rule" disguising as democracy.
Mob rule? Sabagay. There are times our "leaders" remind me of mobsters, specially when they act like one, so I guess that's only fitting.
Anyway just goes to show the power of the unthinking majority.
Another reason why there should be fewer of us; a flock of sheep is more manageable when they are fewer.
The sheeps might can be scary and you temper that might through Force, Propaganda, Money, six, Drugs, Ignorance or Justin Beiber.
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still exist. but abused.. by those people in power... mga syonga...
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Nope, what we have right now is not really democracy but a plutocratic form of democracy wherein the rich has the final say.
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yup, democracy still works...if it is practiced very well....like someone have said here....its concept still works....it's how the people practice it....electorate should have learned their lessons of the fast.....it is us who are suffering from it.....for a change, money should never be the basis of who we are to vote the next election... >:( >:( >:(
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yup, democracy still works...if it is practiced very well....like someone have said here....its concept still works....it's how the people practice it....electorate should have learned their lessons of the fast.....it is us who are suffering from it.....for a change, money should never be the basis of who we are to vote the next election... >:( >:( >:(
Anong connect nyan dito? practiced? you mean election? this country has been bought and sold a long time ago, the election is just an illusionary incentive...
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Democracy is a good type of government if all citizens will understand what it means and exercise it well hmmm since when philippines had the last good leadership?It because people dont vote wisely,as long as that politicians have money to buy votes they will go for it not thinking what is the consequences when they won.problems of corruption come along then the people are the losers all they can do is whine this and that on their own doing at the very first place..people need to wake up from being comatose and start using their power to choose the right leaders to do the job..its time to show what is the true democracy and how it works.throw the bribery out to the dumpster..
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ano silbi ng democracy kung panay kurakot at hindi umuunlad ang bansa
sana sakop pa rin sana tayo ng japan o u.s.
baka iba estado ng pinas now
what if lang :P
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Democracy is a good type of government if all citizens will understand what it means and exercise it well hmmm since when philippines had the last good leadership?It because people dont vote wisely,as long as that politicians have money to buy votes they will go for it not thinking what is the consequences when they won.problems of corruption come along then the people are the losers all they can do is whine this and that on their own doing at the very first place..people need to wake up from being comatose and start using their power to choose the right leaders to do the job..its time to show what is the true democracy and how it works.throw the bribery out to the dumpster..
There is no such thing as a democratic state nowadays, its either we embrace plutocracy or fascism.
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The concept of democracy is really good... like most of us here, i also believe that the problem is not democracy itself but the people, and the people who leads it.
Come to think about it, kahit anong form of government as long as the people or rather there are people causing a hammock and think only for themselves then any form of government will be useless. Most filipinos lack patriotism to a degree that most of us are eyeing to live in other country, prefer foriegn goods than the local ones, "imported ito thinking", etc...
I've been in other countries myself, and the character of a filipino living in any country change dramatically....filipinos living or working abroad can easily follow any local rules or law of the country such as cleanliness to the sorrounding, peeing on proper place, etc.... but in the Philippines, i don't know why they can not follow a certain sign the says "do not litter". It's the same letters and language? This is what we are in the eyes of other nationality, we respect other culture outside the country but can not respect our own.
When i was in Saudi Arabia and Iran, i can see japanese, koreans and even iranians depend there countrymen in terms of works. You can not say bad things around them that refers to one of their countrymen or you will be in trouble. But some filipinos used other filipinos as stepping stone and then trash them after they have achieve their goal. They were even the cause why some of our fellow filipinos are suffering mistreatment and low salary abroad. Crab mentality to the highest degree.....tsk tsk tsk.....
I have a friend way back, 10 years ago.... He's a mechanical and an electrical engineer but decided to just have a computer shop for a living. He once told me that our country can never really rise-up again as long as the government will be lead by bunch of self-thinking people. He said that the only way to remove this people is to have a reset, building a new government from scratch with a new strong leader... and it will only happen if we will have a civil war. Of course, i disagree. Being a person that value life to the fullest can never agree to that, but as time pass by, our country is being pulled down dramatically fast by the few people who think first of their pocket... so the solutions that i can think of are; civil war(i still seems to hesitate to agree), elect a leader that extremely afraid of God, elect a leader that extremely value the people's welfare, make our country a monarchy, or a dictator that will take those rich people's company and line it to the government adding it to the government funds......1 guy or family going to be rich is better than all the officials in the government are trying to suck dry the government.
Seems hopeless but i still believe in what we filipinos can do.... but i can only hope for that.....
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The concept of democracy is really good... like most of us here, i also believe that the problem is not democracy itself but the people, and the people who leads it.
Come to think about it, kahit anong form of government as long as the people or rather there are people causing a hammock and think only for themselves then any form of government will be useless. Most filipinos lack patriotism to a degree that most of us are eyeing to live in other country, prefer foriegn goods than the local ones, "imported ito thinking", etc...
I've been in other countries myself, and the character of a filipino living in any country change dramatically....filipinos living or working abroad can easily follow any local rules or law of the country such as cleanliness to the sorrounding, peeing on proper place, etc.... but in the Philippines, i don't know why they can not follow a certain sign the says "do not litter". It's the same letters and language? This is what we are in the eyes of other nationality, we respect other culture outside the country but can not respect our own.
When i was in Saudi Arabia and Iran, i can see japanese, koreans and even iranians depend there countrymen in terms of works. You can not say bad things around them that refers to one of their countrymen or you will be in trouble. But some filipinos used other filipinos as stepping stone and then trash them after they have achieve their goal. They were even the cause why some of our fellow filipinos are suffering mistreatment and low salary abroad. Crab mentality to the highest degree.....tsk tsk tsk.....
I have a friend way back, 10 years ago.... He's a mechanical and an electrical engineer but decided to just have a computer shop for a living. He once told me that our country can never really rise-up again as long as the government will be lead by bunch of self-thinking people. He said that the only way to remove this people is to have a reset, building a new government from scratch with a new strong leader... and it will only happen if we will have a civil war. Of course, i disagree. Being a person that value life to the fullest can never agree to that, but as time pass by, our country is being pulled down dramatically fast by the few people who think first of their pocket... so the solutions that i can think of are; civil war(i still seems to hesitate to agree), elect a leader that extremely afraid of God, elect a leader that extremely value the people's welfare, make our country a monarchy, or a dictator that will take those rich people's company and line it to the government adding it to the government funds......1 guy or family going to be rich is better than all the officials in the government are trying to suck dry the government.
Seems hopeless but i still believe in what we filipinos can do.... but i can only hope for that.....
The question here is not whether or not democracy is good but rather is it effective. Yes we all blame it to our leaders, "hindi sa sistema kung di na namamahala" but is it not also the fault of the system because it doesn't offer contingency solution kung idiot ang namamahala? When the system itself allows mediocrity and stupidity to flourish inside of it then can it not be considered as a faulty system?
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unfortunately, i thick the essence of Democracy is being use as self interest by those ignorant politician. As my own opinion, the objective of democracy cannot be fulfilled by only having the democratic form of government that is being supported by its constitution, but it should be in the hearth and soul of those who are in the offices (from Brgy Clerk to National President).
As tax payer and voter... I'm looking forward to maturity of our democracy, politician and my fellow Filipinos.
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Are you sure you're one of us? Your command of the English language is as good as the American punks that loiter the streets of Detroit.
No. you're definitely one of them. Ain't that right, bayback?
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Democracy still works.... and masama nito is its getting abused...