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Title: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 08, 2013, 01:07:16 AM
MANILA (UPDATED) - How does one fact-check senatorial candidate Nancy Binay if she is absent in television debates, forums, town hall meetings, and other gatherings that allow voters to see candidates up close?

Binay did not attend a single debate or forum ahead of the May 13 elections, according to UP sa Halalan, a joint project of the University of the Philippines System, ABS-CBN, and the Commission on Elections.

"There are candidates that we really want to fact-check but they don't attend the debates and they don't say anything," said UP sa Halalan's Dr. Nicole Curato, an assistant professor of sociology at UP Diliman.

Curato said on "ANC Presents: Election Watch" on Tuesday night that she also wanted to fact-check the foundation that the daughter of Vice-President Jejomar Binay, but it was unnamed.

Binay, however, did appear on a solo live guesting at ANC before the elections.

She also granted interviews in other ABS-CBN News programs.

"Nancy Binay has been quoted in the media to only engage in debate when she's already in the Senate," said UP Diliman Vice-President for Public Affairs Prospero De Vera, who is also a member of the UP sa Halalan project.

"There seems to be an inverse correlation between those who attend the most and those leading in the rankings," he added.

De Vera said those who attended all the debates seem to be candidates who are trailing in surveys and those who have no money to compete well.

"There are candidates, especially incumbents who do not attend debates and rely on television ads," he said.

Fact-checking the elections

A key component of the UP sa Halalan project are fact-checks on the truthfulness of claims made by candidates.

"Fact-checking is a standard practice in US elections. We thought we would pioneer the fact-check concept in the Philippines," De Vera said.

Curato said the best students in her classes help in the doing the fact-checks.

"There are at least two layers, sometimes three layers of people doing the fact-check," she said.

Curato said they focus their fact-checks on "empirically verifiable" statements made by the candidates.

De Vera said they encountered difficulty with some candidates who are "fond of using buzz words that they have difficulty explaining."

"We are confident that the fact-checks can stand on their own," he said.

Citing the need for freedom of information, Curato said fact-checks would be better if more sources of information can be accessed by the public.

"Use the constituent universities to better fact-check local candidates in the future," she added.

Curato said aside from the Internet, they also used print archives in their research.

"To be fair, the Senate and the Congress have been very helpful," she said.

She said lower House officials gave for free records of some candidates.

De Vera said they also translated fact-checks into more understandable language for voters to understand.

A freedom of information law will help fact-checkers in future elections, he said.

"It would be best if we could get the financial records from the office of the legislators," he added.

from abs cbn news site heto po link with video poh jan

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/05/07/13/nancy-binay-absent-all-debates-forums?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/focus/05/07/13/nancy-binay-absent-all-debates-forums?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: zzgundam on May 08, 2013, 01:08:45 AM
...which is why she is going to be absent on my ballot.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 08, 2013, 01:33:25 AM
...which is why she is going to be absent on my ballot.
true poh mukang di na kailangan pag isipan yan
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: Prime™ on May 08, 2013, 05:03:42 AM
Perhaps because isa ata siya sa leading. She doesn't need the added publicity.

There is also a chance a debate could backfire if somehow she made a fool out of herself.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: ambsey on May 08, 2013, 05:09:17 AM
Parang ala naman alam yan sa politika..

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Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: fayt on May 08, 2013, 05:27:07 AM
nasa top4-6 sya sa survey.. kaso hindi pede na hindi sya makikipagdebate. sa senado, mostly ang ginagawa dun eh makipagdebate.. pag uusapan kasi ang bill na gagawin mo o yun bill na umakyat from congress... baka ibully sya ni sen. miriam santiago pag ganyan sya hehe
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 09, 2013, 12:45:21 AM
playing safe lang siya

at ayaw niya magisa sa debates pero ewan ko lang anung mangyayari sa senado pag pumasok siya
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: yummyyana23 on May 09, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
nasa top4-6 sya sa survey.. kaso hindi pede na hindi sya makikipagdebate. sa senado, mostly ang ginagawa dun eh makipagdebate.. pag uusapan kasi ang bill na gagawin mo o yun bill na umakyat from congress... baka ibully sya ni sen. miriam santiago pag ganyan sya hehe

that's realpolitik, why gamble or place all your bets when you're still leading.
style nga naman ng mga pulitiko dito sa atin lalo na yung mga anak-anak ng mga politicians.

magkakaalaman talaga yan if ever maupo siya. either she will be cause of the downfall of her father who has plans for 2016 or she will be his investment at the senate. parang insurance lang talaga ang pulitika dito sa atin at tayo ang nagbabayad ng premiums.  :(
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: VigilanteSpy on May 09, 2013, 10:05:02 AM
Sana may batas na di pwede bumoto ang mga walang pinag-aralan, sila kasi ang
madaling maniwala sa mga commercial at mga pangako ng mga pulitiko.  Hayaan na lang sa mga educated ang pagpili ng leaders natin. Baka mabago pa ang takbo ng Pinas
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: fayt on May 09, 2013, 10:30:17 AM
Sana may batas na di pwede bumoto ang mga walang pinag-aralan, sila kasi ang
madaling maniwala sa mga commercial at mga pangako ng mga pulitiko.  Hayaan na lang sa mga educated ang pagpili ng leaders natin. Baka mabago pa ang takbo ng Pinas

kung mangyayari yan baka konti lang bumoto at hindi magrerepresent as majority.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: fayt on May 09, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
Sana may batas na di pwede bumoto ang mga walang pinag-aralan, sila kasi ang
madaling maniwala sa mga commercial at mga pangako ng mga pulitiko.  Hayaan na lang sa mga educated ang pagpili ng leaders natin. Baka mabago pa ang takbo ng Pinas

kung mangyayari yan baka konti lang bumoto at hindi magrerepresent as majority.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: yummyyana23 on May 09, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
Sana may batas na di pwede bumoto ang mga walang pinag-aralan, sila kasi ang
madaling maniwala sa mga commercial at mga pangako ng mga pulitiko.  Hayaan na lang sa mga educated ang pagpili ng leaders natin. Baka mabago pa ang takbo ng Pinas

kaso po sir VigilanteSpy, constitutional right po ang pagboto. Responsibilidad na po ng mga boboto kung pag-aaralan nila ang mga plataporma ng mga kandidato at personalidad ng mga ito o sasakay lang sa mga pambobola.

mas gugustuhin ko na sa kandidato ito ipatupad, lagyan ng mas mataas na qualifications, yung mga tipong tapos ka ng kolehiyo, pinakuha or kumuha ng kurso sa pamamahala ng gobyerno o komersyo kung iba man ang natapos niya sa kolehiyo, yung tipong naglingkod o nagkawang-gawa ng mga tatlong taon gamit ang sarili niyang pera. lol. parang social investment, may malalim na pa-unawa sa iba't ibang ideolohiya at may sinasandigan din.

Hindi yung dahil sa artista lang at raraket sa pulitika, tapos nga ng graduate studies dito o sa ibang bansa pero wala naman karanasan sa paglilingkod sa kapwa or sa pamamahala, o kaya naman chop suey ang paniniwala kagaya ng mga partido at mga pulitikong kasapi nito. That's why our political scene can also be considered as "Butterfly Politics" balimbingan, kung san o kung sino malakas dun sila never mind kung dati magkaiba ang mga paniniwala nila.

Imagine Liberal at Nacionalista? Ngayon coalition partners na for the sake of political convenience. 

Let's not disenfranchise voters for the sake of lack of education. Yung tv and radio ads, given na rin po ito, ibig sabihin lang nito mas nagiging dynamic po ang pampulitikang larangan natin. We need to educate voters, especially those from the countryside kasi dun talaga existent ang patronage and deception politics kaya nanalo pa rin ang mga traditional politicians na hindi naman dapat maupo.

The same goes with the voters who have high school and college education, how sure ang isang schooled voter when he/she gets to a polling precinct in Maguindanao, Basilan, Masbate, Dinagat Islands or any place where political dynasties are so forceful in imposing election dirty tricks would be able to vote independently free from any political duress?

May pinag-aralan man o wala, kung ang maiboboto natin ay iisang klase lang din or resorting with guns, goons and gold sayang pa rin po Sir VigilanteSpy ang pagboto.   
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: alphaomega on May 09, 2013, 05:54:24 PM
wag n sana madagdag p si nancy sa mga politiko  sa angkan ni vp...
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 09, 2013, 10:23:19 PM
Sana may batas na di pwede bumoto ang mga walang pinag-aralan, sila kasi ang
madaling maniwala sa mga commercial at mga pangako ng mga pulitiko.  Hayaan na lang sa mga educated ang pagpili ng leaders natin. Baka mabago pa ang takbo ng Pinas
why not the other way around poh?

kung pwede wag na lang patakbuhin yun mga ganyan na walang kakayahan at walang alam
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: zzgundam on May 09, 2013, 11:17:46 PM
Just implement a simple rule - if you're not an OFW, and don't have an ITR for the past year, you can't vote. It's easy to make a trash vote if you have nothing invested in it. We need to teach people RESPONSIBILITY.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: yummyyana23 on May 10, 2013, 12:12:13 AM
Just implement a simple rule - if you're not an OFW, and don't have an ITR for the past year, you can't vote. It's easy to make a trash vote if you have nothing invested in it. We need to teach people RESPONSIBILITY.

But we can't disenfranchise voters just because they're poor or can't present an ITR. Constitutional right ito nating lahat. Unless we want to amend the 1987 Charter. But I agree with teaching everyone to be responsible especially when it comes to voting.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 10, 2013, 12:46:13 AM
But we can't disenfranchise voters just because they're poor or can't present an ITR. Constitutional right ito nating lahat. Unless we want to amend the 1987 Charter. But I agree with teaching everyone to be responsible especially when it comes to voting.
kelangan talaga na maturuan na ang mga karamihan

kung paano pumili ng kandidato
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: the_mode on May 10, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
PILI 'PINAS ng mga karapat-dapat.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: fayt on May 11, 2013, 09:41:15 AM
Kahit anong campaign ang gamitin para maging mode of teaching sa mga voter to vote wisely balewala rin kung bibigyan o babayaran ang boto nila

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Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 11, 2013, 02:50:36 PM
Kahit anong campaign ang gamitin para maging mode of teaching sa mga voter to vote wisely balewala rin kung bibigyan o babayaran ang boto nila

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totoo yan madami paring nagpapabayad sa boto nila

Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: dre on May 11, 2013, 04:15:30 PM
ang ibang bobong Pinoy boboto dyan dahil Binay pangalan smh
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: fayt on May 11, 2013, 04:26:10 PM
ang ibang bobong Pinoy boboto dyan dahil Binay pangalan smh

Natatawa nga ako sa ilang nag komento sa youtube na galit na galit kay vice ganda ehh . Pinoy nga naman.

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Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: spidey on May 11, 2013, 04:30:02 PM
actually ang mga botante ay sumusugal na lang sa kanilang iboboto.. maski sinu pa iboto mo now wala na din mangyayri, the best thing to do is lahat ng naka upo alisin sa pwesto at palitan ng bago.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: Prime™ on May 11, 2013, 05:41:59 PM
actually ang mga botante ay sumusugal na lang sa kanilang iboboto.. maski sinu pa iboto mo now wala na din mangyayri, the best thing to do is lahat ng naka upo alisin sa pwesto at palitan ng bago.

Agreed. If only.

+1 k.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 11, 2013, 05:48:29 PM
actually ang mga botante ay sumusugal na lang sa kanilang iboboto.. maski sinu pa iboto mo now wala na din mangyayri, the best thing to do is lahat ng naka upo alisin sa pwesto at palitan ng bago.

tama ka jan sir

kung pwede nga lang nga alisin lahat
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: fayt on May 11, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
actually ang mga botante ay sumusugal na lang sa kanilang iboboto.. maski sinu pa iboto mo now wala na din mangyayri, the best thing to do is lahat ng naka upo alisin sa pwesto at palitan ng bago.

ganun talaga sitwasyon ngayon... wala masyado mapapagpilian
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: marmaim on May 11, 2013, 06:33:16 PM
why not the other way around poh?

kung pwede wag na lang patakbuhin yun mga ganyan na walang kakayahan at walang alam

why risk exposing herself in a debate? kahit gaano pa kagaling ang isang taong magsalita o makipag debate, risk pa rin ang pag expose sa sarili publicly.
she's leading in the polls. she doesn't need the extra publicity or exposure. yun lang naman ang point ng political debate di ba? to be seen and heard. manalo man sya sa debate, malaki ba ang benefit? eh kung masamid sya o mapuwing? sabihin nautal sya sa pagsagot o naiyak sya dahil sa pressure kaya natalo?
not agreeing to any debate doesnt mean wala o kulang ang kakayahan ng isang tao. hindi rin lahat ng magaling o mahilig magsalita at makipagdebate eh may kakayahan na -- mas malamang pa nga na kailangan lang ng publicity o pansin kaya bibo di ba?
oo nga pala, ano ba kinalaman ng debate sa fact-check na paulit ulit sinasabi? hindi lang naman sa debate ibinabase ang fact-checking ah. parang ipinilit lang nung article na banggitin si binay. medyo garapal na pagtira kay binay kasi sya lang binanggit. sya lang ba hindi pumunta sa mga debate?
hmmm...smelly...fishy...stinky...eewwyyy...hehehe
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: ¿m☺ÿ on May 11, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
ang politika talaga sa pinas grabe basta popular ayos na.... kawawang pinas.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 12, 2013, 12:06:22 AM
ang politika talaga sa pinas grabe basta popular ayos na.... kawawang pinas.
well hirap talaga dito puro ganito mga tumatakbo sa posisyon

at madami pa rin bumuboto sa kanila
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: ¿m☺ÿ on May 12, 2013, 04:10:52 AM
well hirap talaga dito puro ganito mga tumatakbo sa posisyon

at madami pa rin bumuboto sa kanila

yap, kaya mas lalo nang kawawa ang pinas....
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: marmaim on May 12, 2013, 06:48:01 AM
ang politika talaga sa pinas grabe basta popular ayos na.... kawawang pinas.

i agree. may nagsabi nga dati sa akin na ang pandaraya sa eleksyon -- kahit ano pa mang paraan -- may limitasyon. nasa 10% lang ata effectivity. kumbaga, kung talagang malaki ang lamang ng kandidato, kahit dayain, hindi uubra.
totoo man yan o hindi, palagay ko mas matimbang kaysa daya iyung pagpapadala nating mga pinoy sa popular o kilala kaysa sa mapanuri at edukadong pagsasaalang alang ng kakayahan ng mga kandidato.
masakit at kaawa awa ngang tanggapin na mananalo ang mga tulad ni binay at marami pang ibang kandidato na pangalan lang ang kaya at kailangang ipakita sa mga botante.
paalala lang: huwag din sana tayong magpadala sa mga nababasa, naririnig o napapanood natin na tumitira sa iilan o iisang kandidato lang tulad ng ginawa sa artikulong nakita natin dito at pati na rin sa pagtira ni vice ganda. palagay ko kasi ay taktikang politika rin ito na nagtatangkang magmanipula sa atin.
hindi komo popular eh iboboto na.
hindi rin komo hindi popular eh hindi mo na iboboto.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: loverboy20 on May 12, 2013, 05:06:37 PM
si lito lapid nga po binoboto ng tao  :-X mas nakakatakot pa nga po ang may alam kasi, minamainobra nila ang batas pabor sa kanila. like national i.d., ayaw ng mga politicians na maraming accounts sa bangko dahil multiple identity ang ginagawa nila kaya karamihan ng politicians hindi pabor sa national i.d. system. :o
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: spidey on May 12, 2013, 05:43:50 PM
how about this... if i am ilokano and one from ilocos is running for the senate, by the way this guys is known for being kurakot in local post he his handling o he handed.. now yung mga kalaban nya sa senatorial race ay mga kuarakot din.. whom do you think i will vote???? yun mga kurakot sa ibang bayan or yun kurakor sa amin.. remember mga kurakot yan lahat.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: marmaim on May 12, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
how about this... if i am ilokano and one from ilocos is running for the senate, by the way this guys is known for being kurakot in local post he his handling o he handed.. now yung mga kalaban nya sa senatorial race ay mga kuarakot din.. whom do you think i will vote???? yun mga kurakot sa ibang bayan or yun kurakor sa amin.. remember mga kurakot yan lahat.

may karapatan ka rin namang walang iboto sa kanilang lahat di ba?
hindi naman komo 12 senators ang kailangan eh ipipilit mong 12 ang iboto. for me kasi, it is a choice to vote for someone and choice din to vote for no one.
kung sa palagay mo si hudas o hitler lang ang choices mo, i think mabuti pang i-blangko mo na lang.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: heyo_pineapple on May 14, 2013, 09:11:40 AM
Ayan absent na sa lahat ng debates nakapasok pa sa top 12. Diyos ko po.

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Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: xxxchoholic Rai ♥ on May 14, 2013, 02:22:11 PM
Ayan absent na sa lahat ng debates nakapasok pa sa top 12. Diyos ko po.

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pasok nga siya lol hahaha

pero bahala na daw si miriam sa kanila
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: fayt on May 14, 2013, 09:25:09 PM
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/599472_659390327410242_1534853262_n.jpg)

hehe tama nga naman pag sinuot nya ang robe.
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: marmaim on May 14, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
wow! nazareno? are you referring to her skin color? tsk tsk tsk... is that really what this is all about?
di ko rin gets all this ridicule. tapos na eleksyon di ba? nancy binay only has one vote. she didnt vote for herself millions of times para makapasok sa top 12. bakit pati pagboto ng mga tao sa kanya parang sa kanya pa rin isinusumbat? lahat tayo may karapatang tumakbo sa anumang posisyon sa pamahalaan. she exercised her right to run. the voters exercised their right to make her win. dont blame that on her.
ibang klase nga naman...wala na ngang karanasan, tumakbo pang senador...hindi na um-attend ng debates, nanalo pang senador...ang kapal ng mukha eh ang itim naman ng balat tulad ng tatay nya! hindi man lang ba naisip ni nancy binay na pilipinas ito na bansa ng mga taong mapuputi????? tama lang na laitin sya! pwe!
ayos ba? wow di ba?
Title: Re: Nancy Binay absent in all debates, forums
Post by: Prime™ on May 15, 2013, 04:57:44 AM
^ at marmaim

I don't think he was making fun of her. Malamang shinare niya lang dito yung kumakalat ngayon sa social media ngayon for us to be aware ano ba umiikot ngayon. Gaya ko wala ako facebook. I wouldn't know na may ganito if I hadn't seen it.

I gave you a plus 1 because I agree, anyones personal appearance should not be a factor, pero sadly it is. Isa sa pinaka pagkapangit na sh*t thinking dito eh mapag husga o mapag pintas sa itsura. 

Honestly Nancy is the least of my problems.

May mga taong nakapasok na mas ayaw ko makapasok, and meron din namang mga hindi na I am so glad hindi nakapasok.

I'm thinking, do these detractors of her honestly believe na yung may mga "alam" eh doing a good job? I do not understand their point.

As far as I am concerned, kahit driver, hardinero, waiter or kundoktor eh may karapatang maiboto at maihalal. It's a constitutional right.

Last time I checked we are a democracy. Not an oligarchy or merchant republic.

Pero it's funny you keep on hearing the word democracy and how we are lucky to have it, wherein parang monarchia dito na may mga duke, conde at sangkaterbang court jester.

Democracy ito, dapat lahat tayo pwede. Pero nanyayari ba? Nope. Cult of personality ang umiiral dito eh.

Kaya ang laging sagot nitong mga pulitikong ito eh, tao naman bumuboto eh.

Kagaya nung minsan ininterview si Pacquaio, hindi ba raw dynasty ang ginagawa niya dahil pinatakbo nya kapatid niya and asawa? Ang sagot? Eh tao naman ang bumuboto nyan. Abay oo nga naman.

Edi tayo pa sinisi bakit sila gumagawa ng kabalbalan? Ayos sa pagka psychopath ano?

Nancy winning isn't a big deal for me. What bothers me eh yung mga hindi kilalang tumatakbo na mukhang malinis naman ang intention eh hindi manalo nalo.

Every election my reaction is always a big WTF...?


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