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What the Constitution has ‘illegalized’ let no man legalize.” This is what seems to be the issue brought right before the eyes of the people in distorting the very meaning and interpretation of the political dynasty law. The mere fact
that this provision and its prohibition is already enshrined in the Constitution, violators still have the temerity of looking for loopholes and not appreciate the Constitution at face value. That is precisely how it is to be guilty, try to evade the law as much as you can.
The disadvantages of political “dynasticism” outweighs its advantages. The only advantage obviously is a family’s tradition of having practiced integrity in public service that brings to its young breed of “leader heirs” the same brand of control. But how many among them possess this virtue? In Philippine politics, families who attach themselves to this noble virtue are indeed very rare, just “like searching for a needle in a hay stack.”
But the disadvantages are too many to ignore, which people especially voters should take note of. In one of the articles about political dynasty written in August 2012, the author made mention of the following to wit;
“But the disadvantage of having this system (political dynasty) is the tendency of harboring power. The thirst for dominion will ruin not just the government but its people. Fame and popularity of the family will surely find them a good place in the government office. It leaves a narrow road for those able and gifted leaders whose clan has never been heard of. What puts Filipino people in jeopardy regarding this political dynasty lies in the saying “whatever the tree, so is the fruit.” If corruption finds its way in the family, it is not impossible in the next generation who will inherit the power.”
Despite the non-formulation yet of an enabling law that will put into action the law on political dynasty which they themselves try to hold back for obvious reasons, common sense and prudence dictates that if you are a man of integrity and high ideals just like what you are projecting as a leader, your actions should be in accordance to what the supreme law of the land states. Doing otherwise should be interpreted as violative of the law and require sanctions from no less than the people who are “victims” of the so called monopolies of power, who make public service as their own personal enterprise with the end in view of attaching their whole clan to power till kingdom come.
The voters’ silent outrage has suddenly been manifested by such political malpractice. It has become apparent that they are out to castigate these candidates to show their exasperation of the kind of melancholic leadership these politicians are out to display. In elections, the voters are king and should display their supremacy by way of castigating these types of candidates. It is only by acting as one can we change the face of Philippine politics and bring back the glory of our country once dubbed as the “pearl of the orient seas.”
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i have been hearing arguments, complaints and outrage against political dynasties for years. everybody seems to agree that it's wrong. everybody seems to agree that it shouldnt be happening. and since it is happening, it should be stopped.
i am quite certain that i participated in these discussions somehow. but, i am also quite certain that i participated mostly by listening. to be honest, i dont understand any of it. what exactly is a political dynasty? how are we supposed to stop it? even now, i still dont really understand what is wrong with it.
please bear with me. also, please note that i am looking at this -- or, at least, i would like to think i am -- through the filipino mind-set, perspective or cultural/social/political situation. that is vague...let me try again. i know what a dynasty is (even a political one). my point is, i dont see the similarity of so-called political dynasties in the philippines with dynasties like in chinese history.
you know what i mean? im not trying to be dumb about it (some may think this a simple matter i am trying to complicate). i really just dont understand what a political dynasty means in the philippine socio-political setting.
check this out: a neighbor (nA) wanted my support in stopping another neighbor (nB) from building a political dynasty. nA was running for barangay captain and it so happened that nB used to be barangay captain who became city councilor. nA was running under a political party against nB whose son was also running for barangay councilor. how could supporting nA stop nB from forming a dynasty? none of them were running for the same position. nB was in the city council and his son would have been in the barangay council. where's the dynastic line? and here's the kicker: nB, nA and i are all related -- blood related! see how crazy and confusing that is? again, where is the dynastic line? or, is it a dynastic web? pyramid?
noynoy's mother was president and his father was a senator. are we in a cojuangco-aquino dynasty now? were we in a macapagal dynasty? during discussions, it appears that filipinos consider having multiple family members in public office a form of dynasty. another way to form one seems to be the continued hold of one generation after another of one political position. i suppose the latter is the more familiar and easier understood form of what a traditional dynasty is.
but even if i understand these definitions of what dynasties actually are here in the philippines, i still cannot ignore the fact that they are supposedly duly elected into their position. would it not be more appropriate to say that a dynasty is actually formed when a person in public office appoints his or her relatives into political positions? but that isnt dynastic, is it? it's nepotism.
also, is not a true dynasty that which is traditional? from father or mother to son or daughter to ...so on. right? you'd need a dictatorship for that, right? can democratic forms of government actually form dynasties? it isnt just a supposition but an actual fact that all those in positions of power have been elected into office. how can duly elected sons, daughters, nephews and neices and even grandchildren be part of any dynasty? and if they are, how can anybody stop it without violating the law or any citizen's rights to vote whoever he/she wants and to be elected for whatever position he/she wants?
it has been so easy for me to think and feel that political dynasties are wrong and should be stopped. but ive been wondering why ive been thinking and feeling so. have i just been going with the flow? in being honest with my self, i feel pathetic.
what is legally or even morally wrong with so-called dynasties where every political figure in position was actually elected into office? it cannot be illegal if the people voted for them. is it immoral to be voted into political office?
ive had the anger and the outrage; but, i cannot find the justification for these sentiments.
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Quick and simple.
They can all go to hell.
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we can say its wrong but we can't really stop this one
due to the fact there are a lot of people do believe in this politicians that they can do
their job right,
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Some of them are just disillusioned that he/she can perform with the same quality as their predecessor.
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Some of them are just disillusioned that he/she can perform with the same quality as their predecessor.
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that on is true just look at binay at villiar
these ladies think they can do the job but i dont really think so
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I dont know about villar's wife, but binay's daughter does not have any background in politics nor leadership. According to some source, she just personnal assistance of mr. Binay for all these years.
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Ano pong basis nyo na di sila magpeperform sa senado pag nanalo?
marami pong mga newbies na kandidato ngayun katulad ni bam, grace poe, etc.. pero di ko alam bakit silang 2 lang nabanggit mo...
that on is true just look at binay at villiar
these ladies think they can do the job but i dont really think so
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Ano pong basis nyo na di sila magpeperform sa senado pag nanalo?
marami pong mga newbies na kandidato ngayun katulad ni bam, grace poe, etc.. pero di ko alam bakit silang 2 lang nabanggit mo...
sila una naalala ko eh
binay's daughter even admitted that she doesn't really know about the ways in politics
she said something like this "eh anung alam ko jan pero mapagaaralan ko na naman yan eh
at nariyan naman si dad para tulungan ako" so i means if she would win
then most likely she is just a puppet for his father
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sila una naalala ko eh
binay's daughter even admitted that she doesn't really know about the ways in politics
she said something like this "eh anung alam ko jan pero mapagaaralan ko na naman yan eh
at nariyan naman si dad para tulungan ako" so i means if she would win
then most likely she is just a puppet for his father
Yan ang kumakalat ngayon sa social net sites.. ironically, mataas sya sa survey.. benefit of a doubt, baka kasi binayaran lang ang mga naglalabas ng survey para maging trending ang mga kandidato..
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i dont really believe in those surveys
but this surveys can make or break a candidates run for the position
because the people would think this someone would be better to vote
due to it's rankings
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personally di ko alam yung kumakalat kay binay..
pero nun pa man, ayaw ko na sa kanya...
about mrs. villar naman po?
for me sa mga newbie na kandidato, napanood ko si bam aquino sa debate and very intelligent syang sumagot..
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more the same page with binay yan si mrs.villar eh
and senate is more on intellectual work that on what these people saying eh
how can they make jobs on senate? or something like health cards of binay?
what's the use of those in the senate anyway?
i too would vote for bam not because he is an aquino
but he is a man with great intellect, since in his college days i've been following
his know abouts he knows what he is saying and i think he is more like
ninoy than his uncle noynoy
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Sa senate pa naman dapat magaling ka makipagdebate.. makakaharap mo sina enrile, santiago, arroyo kung hindi mo kaya ipagtanggol yun bill na gusto mo ipasa, wala ka magagawa sa senado..
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i dont know how would the others fare on the senate
but if people like bam would be there then the political dynasties wont matter anymore for me
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Nice comment here.. thumbs up mga sir/mam.. i enjoyed reading your point of views..
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Nice comment here.. thumbs up mga sir/mam.. i enjoyed reading your point of views..
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well sir here in pt if you like the post
then click on the applaud bellow the name of the one whom posted something
you really liked
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Dont know.. hehe.. bago lng aq dito..
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i would rather vote for a communist than these bunch of trapos. lol
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i would rather vote for a communist than these bunch of trapos. lol
Well, muka wala ka maiboboto nyan hehe..
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well i think di naman sila trapo lahat eh
some of them are actually good people
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Dati ganun din ang isip ko, para mabalance ang situation pero nung makita ko ang ginagawa ng mga aktbista katulad ng kabataan na sinunog yung mga gamit sa PUP, yung mga nagraraling mga bayolente.
Naitanong ko sa sarili ko? Pag ibinoto ko ang mga komunistang kandidato, para ko na ring sinuportahan ang mga maling ginagawa nila..?
Saan ba kukuha ng pondo ang mga ito, malamang sa pera ng komunistang pulitiko..
Lalo lang gugulo ang Pilipinas sa mga ito..
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Iboboto ko sana si Teddy pero nagbago nang isip ko...
i would rather vote for a communist than these bunch of trapos. lol
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Dati ganun din ang isip ko, para mabalance ang situation pero nung makita ko ang ginagawa ng mga aktbista katulad ng kabataan na sinunog yung mga gamit sa PUP, yung mga nagraraling mga bayolente.
Naitanong ko sa sarili ko? Pag ibinoto ko ang mga komunistang kandidato, para ko na ring sinuportahan ang mga maling ginagawa nila..?
Saan ba kukuha ng pondo ang mga ito, malamang sa pera ng komunistang pulitiko..
Lalo lang gugulo ang Pilipinas sa mga ito..
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Iboboto ko sana si Teddy pero nagbago nang isip ko...
well kung communista ang iboboto natin
at pumasok siya mukang lalo lang gugulo ang pinas at mababaon lang tayo sa utang
well sir bakit naman ayaw mo na kay teddy bear?
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para mas malinaw.. si teddy casino po ay nasa leftist group..
at pakibasa na rin po ng explanation ko bakit ayaw ko na sa komunista..
lalo na sa partylist group na kabataan, affiliated din po yan sa kaliwa...
sobrang bayolente nila...
well kung communista ang iboboto natin
at pumasok siya mukang lalo lang gugulo ang pinas at mababaon lang tayo sa utang
well sir bakit naman ayaw mo na kay teddy bear?
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alam ko na si teddy bear casino eh leftist siya
gaya nun mga kabataan partylist na yan grabe rin sila eh,
di ba disqualified pa yata yun partylist na kabataan ngayon?
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Dati ganun din ang isip ko, para mabalance ang situation pero nung makita ko ang ginagawa ng mga aktbista katulad ng kabataan na sinunog yung mga gamit sa PUP, yung mga nagraraling mga bayolente.
Naitanong ko sa sarili ko? Pag ibinoto ko ang mga komunistang kandidato, para ko na ring sinuportahan ang mga maling ginagawa nila..?
Saan ba kukuha ng pondo ang mga ito, malamang sa pera ng komunistang pulitiko..
Lalo lang gugulo ang Pilipinas sa mga ito..
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Iboboto ko sana si Teddy pero nagbago nang isip ko...
whoa! i can't believe that there is still "red scare" thing against the left.
it seems your McCarthyist thoughts are unfounded. Have you ever considered whether or not those chairs that were burned can still be used by those poor students in that university? Saradong usapin na po ito sa PUP na ang mga gamit na yun ay bulok, sira at hindi na kailanman magagamit.
i will agree on your sentiment na barbaro ang ginawa nila kung mga bago, nagagamit at napapakinabangan pa yung mga sinunog.
minsan kailangan din tingan yung motibo at bakit nagkomento ng ganun na bakit sinisira yung mga gamit sa pup. pero hindi po kaya propaganda na lang ito nung kalabang partido nung kasalukuyang student council dahil halos mag-iisang dekada ng nananalo sa student council yung mga kinamumuhiang mong kaliwa. well kung ganun po, masyadong mababaw naman ang dahilan. 8)
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Kung may pangarap ka para sa mga anak mo, o para sa mga mahal mo sa buhay, you would not consider communism at all.
Luma na and ideology na ito. Hindi na angkop sa panahon ngayon.
Ngayon kung ipinanganak kang magsasaka, may chance na ikaw ay maging doctor o inhinyero o kung ano pa ang pinapangarap mo para sayo o sa magiging anak mo. Basta mag sikap ka lang.
Kung pula ka, pag aari ka ng gobyerno. Kung gusto nilang carpentero ka o ang mga anak mo ay mangingisda kahit na malayo ito sa pangarap mo eh pasensya ka. Ang partido ang mag tatakda kung saan ka.
Masarap pakinggan ang communism on paper. Pero in realty never. USSR, Cambodia, North Korea etc. Sandamak mak na human rights abuses at suffering ang inabot ng tao.
Ultimo ang China eh "communism" kuno na nga lang ngayon. Mas capitalistic pa nga sila kung minsan.
By the way sa communism wala kang pag aari, kung ipinamana sayo ang bahay o lupa ng ninuno mo manigas ka. Kung gusto nilang gawin sementeryo ang ancestral home mo eh pasensya ka.
Kung ikaw din ay may relihiyon at naniniwala ka sa Dios, highly discourage din ito sa communism. Ang gusto nila ang pag mamahal mo ay sa estado at sa partido, hindi sa Dios, sa magulang, asawa o mga anak mo.
By the way maraming makakaliwa. Kaya ingat kayo sa binoboto ninyo. Akala niyo dilaw ang suot underneath pula pala. Careful and do your research. Wag kayo padaan sa commercials and pangiti ngiting aso.
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Kung gusto mo ng maayos na buhay, wag mong subukan ang komunismo.
Tingnan mo ang North Korea, nagugutom ang mga mamamayan nila pero imbis na ibili nila ng pagkain ang konting pera nila eh bala at mga armas pa ang inuuna nila..
Mali man ang polisiya nila kailangan mong sumunod dahil pag di ka sumunod either patayin ka nila or habambuhay ka sa labor camps na kung saan ang gagawin mo ay magtrabaho buong buhay mo at ang papakain pa sayo ay pagkaing panghayop lamang..
Sa loob ng labor camp ay wala kang karapatan na kahit ano. Kahit pag aasawa mo ay silang namumuno ang masusunod. Kahit pagkikipagtalik mo sa asawa mo ay sila ang nagtatakda at isang napakalaking pribilehyo kung ang asawa at pamilya mo ay kasama mo sa isang kwarto.
Ito ang tunay na kulay ng komunista at taliwas ito sa ginawa nilang pakikipaglaban nun sa kalayaan natin. Sumasakay lang sila sa issue para mapansin sila at kunyari ay isinusulong ang pang masang interes ngunit sa likod nito ay interes nila ang isinusulong..
Masdan mo, kung lumalabag ang militar sa karapatang pantao, maging sila ay lumalabag din at mas masahol pa..
Pinaparusahan ba nila ang mga kaanib nila na lumalabag sa karapatang pantao? ang sagot ay hindi..
Kung ang militar ay may balikatan, sila ay meron din.. Ito ay inamin mismo ni Rosal sa isang interview sa baguio.
kaya wag tayong padadala sa tawag ng komunismo....
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Kung gusto mo ng maayos na buhay, wag mong subukan ang komunismo.
Tingnan mo ang North Korea, nagugutom ang mga mamamayan nila pero imbis na ibili nila ng pagkain ang konting pera nila eh bala at mga armas pa ang inuuna nila..
Mali man ang polisiya nila kailangan mong sumunod dahil pag di ka sumunod either patayin ka nila or habambuhay ka sa labor camps na kung saan ang gagawin mo ay magtrabaho buong buhay mo at ang papakain pa sayo ay pagkaing panghayop lamang..
Sa loob ng labor camp ay wala kang karapatan na kahit ano. Kahit pag aasawa mo ay silang namumuno ang masusunod. Kahit pagkikipagtalik mo sa asawa mo ay sila ang nagtatakda at isang napakalaking pribilehyo kung ang asawa at pamilya mo ay kasama mo sa isang kwarto.
Ito ang tunay na kulay ng komunista at taliwas ito sa ginawa nilang pakikipaglaban nun sa kalayaan natin. Sumasakay lang sila sa issue para mapansin sila at kunyari ay isinusulong ang pang masang interes ngunit sa likod nito ay interes nila ang isinusulong..
Masdan mo, kung lumalabag ang militar sa karapatang pantao, maging sila ay lumalabag din at mas masahol pa..
Pinaparusahan ba nila ang mga kaanib nila na lumalabag sa karapatang pantao? ang sagot ay hindi..
Kung ang militar ay may balikatan, sila ay meron din.. Ito ay inamin mismo ni Rosal sa isang interview sa baguio.
kaya wag tayong padadala sa tawag ng komunismo....
Lahat naman ng political and economic systems may flaws di po ba? kung gagamitin ang Nokor and Cambodian experience talagang ayoko ng komunismo.
Well thing of the past na ang communism, but the variety that evolved in China have shown that communism made what it is now. Just less the human rights violation.
Kasi the way we were oriented communism/ socialism were inputs of the west. When in fact variations were even practiced in European countries say Denmark, France, Scandinavian countries even the former ruling party in Great Britain - Labour Party had traces of Socialism on its policies.
As long as violence is out of the equation and respect for certain individual freedom is evident, a moderate leftist line could be just fine.
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Kung yung sa panununog ng gamit sa PUP eh ang tingin mo eh peaceful way of expression, at yung mga rally sa harapan ng NHA then they meant for peace....
Oh, nakalimutan ko rin pala. Sa isang interview kay Fr. Balweg, sinabi nya na di naman talaga peace ang habol ng kaliwa, they want take over of this country...
AS u can see, wala namang nagtatagumpay na peace agreement sa npa-government.
As long as violence is out of the equation and respect for certain individual freedom is evident, a moderate leftist line could be just fine.
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Kung yung sa panununog ng gamit sa PUP eh ang tingin mo eh peaceful way of expression, at yung mga rally sa harapan ng NHA then they meant for peace....
Oh, nakalimutan ko rin pala. Sa isang interview kay Fr. Balweg, sinabi nya na di naman talaga peace ang habol ng kaliwa, they want take over of this country...
AS u can see, wala namang nagtatagumpay na peace agreement sa npa-government.
it seems na talagang wala kang alam sa history na kaliwa sa Pinas, Fr. Balweg left the communist movement and established the rival CPLA or Cordillera Peoples Liberation Army. This offshoot soon became an ally of the military in trying to neutralize the NPAs in the Cordillera Region which still failed.
Fast forward, have you ever thought what happened to CPLA? they're now bunch of paid assassins from a clientele of politicians, businessmen and criminal gangs. How could Balweg speak in behalf of the communists when he was already expelled for his irregularities that he had committed in the movement.
Well panununog ng gamit? Come on wag naman tayo magfocus sa Semantics, Political Statement po iyon ng mga Tibak sa PUP against Lower Budget sa mga students sa SUCs. Ang sabi ko nga, sasama akong magalboroto kagaya mo kung mga bago, magagamit at mapapakinabangan pa ang mga iyon.
Alam naman ng mga organizers na maari silang ma-expel sa paninira ng gamit ng unibersidad, pero wala na ring silbi ang mga nasunog gaya na mga kumalat na photo sa net.
Ang tanong sino ba may pakana ng "twist" sa photo, di ba sabi ko sana inalam mo rin na baka pulitika lang din sa loob ng PUP sa pagitan ng mga naglalabanang partido para sa konseho ng mag-aaral ang pulo't dulo nito.
Ayos ka rin mag-blow up ng issue parang nabuhay si Sen.McCarthy sa katauhan mo sir.
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Kung yung sa panununog ng gamit sa PUP eh ang tingin mo eh peaceful way of expression, at yung mga rally sa harapan ng NHA then they meant for peace....
Oh, nakalimutan ko rin pala. Sa isang interview kay Fr. Balweg, sinabi nya na di naman talaga peace ang habol ng kaliwa, they want take over of this country...
AS u can see, wala namang nagtatagumpay na peace agreement sa npa-government.
im a leftist. not a communist, though. as much as there are different rightists and those struggling in the middle, there are many different leftists as well. the socio-political spectrum is quite broad.
at any rate, having communist or leftist sentiments does not guarantee or even require violent tendencies. ganon din naman sa pagiging democratic, na hindi ibig sabihing democrats or liberals are free from use of violence.
there has been rumors of doy laurel actually planning the assassination of ninoy aquino -- makes one wonder kung yun ang dahilan na tinuring syang langaw ni cory.
cory -- and the cojuangco-aquino family (their cojuangco side at least) -- is considered a symbol of democracy. this sort of reverence extends, it seems, to her family. pero who could we say was ultimately responsible for the mendiola massacre or the deaths and suffering of farmers and their families in hacienda luisita? hmm...peaceful democrats? id rather burn chairs -- new or otherwise.
i realize that we have gone off-topic. just sharing.
oh..and ive met these so-called radicals and communists or leftists like teddy, et al. pareho lang rin sila ng ibang pulitiko. iba lang ng sasakyan at iba lang ang dinaanan. pag-upo sa pwesto, kunwaring leftist na lang.
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Lahat naman ng political and economic systems may flaws di po ba? kung gagamitin ang Nokor and Cambodian experience talagang ayoko ng komunismo.
Well thing of the past na ang communism, but the variety that evolved in China have shown that communism made what it is now. Just less the human rights violation.
Kasi the way we were oriented communism/ socialism were inputs of the west. When in fact variations were even practiced in European countries say Denmark, France, Scandinavian countries even the former ruling party in Great Britain - Labour Party had traces of Socialism on its policies.
As long as violence is out of the equation and respect for certain individual freedom is evident, a moderate leftist line could be just fine.
Oh you mean Socialism? Well I kinda agree with some degree of Socialism. It's true talagang demonized ito specially sa USA. But you have to understand, Cold War mentality? If you like reading books, dito din papasok si Ayn Rand.
Like what I've said in a previous post. Cult mentality 101. There must always be a common enemy. Why do you think some religions here are bad mouthing the others?
Why the American propaganda machine first demonized the Japanese, the Russians and the Muslims? To get the masses riled up.
Ideology of communism is still a no no for me. I think it's another tool to control the masses, and keep people poor and yung elites lang ang nasa itaas. Yes there is "equality" pero there is also a first among equals.
Luma na ito. If Feudalism tayo perhaps maintindihan ko, pero iba na ang mundo ngayon. Sa Feudalismo kung sota ng kabayo ang tatay mo, ganoon kadin hanggang descendants mo. Unlike now, you are free to go wherever you want and follow your ambitions.
Kaya ito ang ipinuputok ng butchi nila Marx, Engels etc. because at the time they saw the fat cats lang ang yumayaman, and working class eh hindi. Pero in theory maganda. In action effective ba?
By the way the Bolsheviks who overthrew the Russian Tsar and paved the way for The Russian Empire to become the Soviet Union was also funded on the sides by... Wait for it.. Capitalist Jewish Bankers! Who also funded Communist hating Adolf Hitler by the way.
Do you see the irony here?
It's all the same ploy. Iba iba lng ng methods.
Now to China. China is blessed with plenty of land, resource and manpower. It's highly improbable China would not become a world power once she gets up to speed. They needed only to industrialize. I don't see how communism can be thanked for that. Perhaps you can thank them for the incredibly cheap labor, kasi halos wala kang rights doon if lower class ka.
Lets also not forget, where the wealth China has now is coming from? Capitalistic western corporations. China is communist in name and spirit kuno. Pero they are very capitalistic. Otherwise they will be dead in the water. Russia can always exploit them and even India if they didn't evolve to what they are now.
Mao the great leader made tons of blunders. His Great Leap Forward, cultural revolution etc.
Naging mascot na lang si Mao. Just like in North Korea the party needed a figurehead. Someone people will look up to and be inspired by, even though in truth that figurehead is as influential and as powerful as the mascot of jollibee you are seeing right now.
That's why after his death they made reforms and till now those reforms are felt. Why? Mao is too old fashioned. China would not be the economic powerhouse it is now if nasunod lahat ng gusto ni chairman Mao.
Socialism to some degree is good, like as you have said in France and Sweden. Ayos yan. But you have to remember those countries, specially the French are mature politically. No match ang political consciousness ng pinas compared jaan.
Sa France takot ang gobyerno sa tao. French Revolution remember? Liberté, égalite and fraternité.
They really did believed and clamored for that specially after a succession of incompetent and extravagant monarchs, the French would not accept anything less.
Totoy pa ang pilipinas sadly compared sa kanila.
Aside from that is pera. Diba recently lang hindi pinirmahan ni El Presidente yung Magna Carta for the poor? Pano wala daw kasi pera. Bibili nalang siya ng condoms kasi mas important yoon para sa pilipinas.
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Oh you mean Socialism? Well I kinda agree with some degree of Socialism. It's true talagang demonized ito specially sa USA. But you have to understand, Cold War mentality? If you like reading books, dito din papasok si Ayn Rand.
Like what I've said in a previous post. Cult mentality 101. There must always be a common enemy. Why do you think some religions here are bad mouthing the others?
Why the American propaganda machine first demonized the Japanese, the Russians and the Muslims? To get the masses riled up.
Ideology of communism is still a no no for me. I think it's another tool to control the masses, and keep people poor and yung elites lang ang nasa itaas. Yes there is "equality" pero there is also a first among equals.
Luma na ito. If Feudalism tayo perhaps maintindihan ko, pero iba na ang mundo ngayon. Sa Feudalismo kung sota ng kabayo ang tatay mo, ganoon kadin hanggang descendants mo. Unlike now, you are free to go wherever you want and follow your ambitions.
Kaya ito ang ipinuputok ng butchi nila Marx, Engels etc. because at the time they saw the fat cats lang ang yumayaman, and working class eh hindi. Pero in theory maganda. In action effective ba?
By the way the Bolsheviks who overthrew the Russian Tsar and paved the way for The Russian Empire to become the Soviet Union was also funded on the sides by... Wait for it.. Capitalist Jewish Bankers! Who also funded Communist hating Adolf Hitler by the way.
Do you see the irony here?
It's all the same ploy. Iba iba lng ng methods.
Now to China. China is blessed with plenty of land, resource and manpower. It's highly improbable China would not become a world power once she gets up to speed. They needed only to industrialize. I don't see how communism can be thanked for that. Perhaps you can thank them for the incredibly cheap labor, kasi halos wala kang rights doon if lower class ka.
Lets also not forget, where the wealth China has now is coming from? Capitalistic western corporations. China is communist in name and spirit kuno. Pero they are very capitalistic. Otherwise they will be dead in the water. Russia can always exploit them and even India if they didn't evolve to what they are now.
Mao the great leader made tons of blunders. His Great Leap Forward, cultural revolution etc.
Naging mascot na lang si Mao. Just like in North Korea the party needed a figurehead. Someone people will look up to and be inspired by, even though in truth that figurehead is as influential and as powerful as the mascot of jollibee you are seeing right now.
That's why after his death they made reforms and till now those reforms are felt. Why? Mao is too old fashioned. China would not be the economic powerhouse it is now if nasunod lahat ng gusto ni chairman Mao.
Socialism to some degree is good, like as you have said in France and Sweden. Ayos yan. But you have to remember those countries, specially the French are mature politically. No match ang political consciousness ng pinas compared jaan.
Sa France takot ang gobyerno sa tao. French Revolution remember? Liberté, égalite and fraternité.
They really did believed and clamored for that specially after a succession of incompetent and extravagant monarchs, the French would not accept anything less.
Totoy pa ang pilipinas sadly compared sa kanila.
Aside from that is pera. Diba recently lang hindi pinirmahan ni El Presidente yung Magna Carta for the poor? Pano wala daw kasi pera. Bibili nalang siya ng condoms kasi mas important yoon para sa pilipinas.
That's why ideologies are good only as such but in practice..dun na magkakatalo. And by the way, misnomer din ang communist states or countries kasi in reality wala pa naman talaga nakaka-attain ng estado ng pagiging komunista.
Thanks for the additional info sir Primus. ;D
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That's why ideologies are good only as such but in practice..dun na magkakatalo. And by the way, misnomer din ang communist states or countries kasi in reality wala pa naman talaga nakaka-attain ng estado ng pagiging komunista.
Thanks for the additional info sir Primus. ;D
Yes Utopia had always remained elusive. I think malabo, specially how human beings are really wired. Someone will take advantage and mess it all up.
You're welcome. You're not so bad yourself, and you held your ground pretty well. Very good.
You might want to check out the book "The Animal Farm" by George Orwell aside from his "1984" it might interest you. The Animal Farm is mainly a satire of what went on in the Soviet Union specifically when Stalin took over from Lenin. Medyo may bias ng konti being written by a brit at the time when the red scare is slowly gaining ground. Pero it's good to hear all voices to form a sound informed opinion.
By the way George was a socialist if tama ang pagka alala ko, so it's an interesting read coming from that background.
Mao also has the little red book incase you would like to see a glimpse into his psyche.
And P.S. McCarthy was indeed a douchebag. He made many peoples lives a living hell with his inquisition and sensationalist bullsh*t. Sadly some politicians nowadays are emulating his style lalo na pag nag papapogi sa camera and character assasinations.
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Yes Utopia had always remained elusive. I think malabo, specially how human beings are really wired. Someone will take advantage and mess it all up.
You're welcome. You're not so bad yourself, and you held your ground pretty well. Very good.
You might want to check out the book "The Animal Farm" by George Orwell aside from his "1984" it might interest you. The Animal Farm is mainly a satire of what went on in the Soviet Union specifically when Stalin took over from Lenin. Medyo may bias ng konti being written by a brit at the time when the red scare is slowly gaining ground. Pero it's good to hear all voices to form a sound informed opinion.
By the way George was a socialist if tama ang pagka alala ko, so it's an interesting read coming from that background.
Mao also has the little red book incase you would like to see a glimpse into his psyche.
And P.S. McCarthy was indeed a douchebag. He made many peoples lives a living hell with his inquisition and sensationalist bullsh*t. Sadly some politicians nowadays are emulating his style lalo na pag nag papapogi sa camera and character assasinations.
Yes i read them both as a required reading in our pol.sci subject, kaasar na prof yun, grabe magpahirap sa min.
I have no issue in criticizing ideologies and their adherents as long as it's done in fairplay but if it's baseless and out of bigotry, i always raise that nothing or nobody's perfect.
Even if Hegel, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao and other Leftist ideologues lived at the same period, sigurado parang away babae din ang kalalabasan niyan.
See you at the other threads sir Primus :)
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Yes i read them both as a required reading in our pol.sci subject, kaasar na prof yun, grabe magpahirap sa min.
I have no issue in criticizing ideologies and their adherents as long as it's done in fairplay but if it's baseless and out of bigotry, i always raise that nothing or nobody's perfect.
Even if Hegel, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao and other Leftist ideologues lived at the same period, sigurado parang away babae din ang kalalabasan niyan.
See you at the other threads sir Primus :)
Good for you. At least your prof made you guys read it. Ours? Hmm wala ako maalala.. perhaps the book wealth of nations? That's the only book I remember na pinabasa samin in my Pol Sci class aside from the usual ones.
Hmm siguro if I wasn't so much of a nerd way back in highschool, hindi ko yan siguro ma come across. Counter strike by day, and nerdy books by night. You're lucky, sounds like your school did a great job.
I remember all of us being required to vote, 2004 yoon, and we had to show up in class with that indelible ink on our thumbs as proof bumoto nga kami. Ako lang yata hindi nag comply, as I saw what a sham and a waste of time it was. Needless to say my Prof was less than thrilled. Bahala siya. Eh sa yoon ang tingin ko eh.
Anyway very interesting. See you around kiddo. ; )
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Ang worry ko lang sa "kamag-anak, incorporated" or the political dynasties ay, "blood is thicker than water"... mas kapakanan nila ang uunahin... what if Nancy will win, may lakas na loob kaya nya kalabanin ang ama niya kung napatunayang corrupt ang ama niya?
Kung nabuksan muli ang "daang hari scandal" at napatunayang malaki ang perang ibinulsa ni Manny Villar, ipapakulong kaya siya ni Cynthia Villar?
"Blood is thicker than water... kawawa naman si Juan dela Cruz....
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Sometimes we are left with no other options other than to fight for what we think is right. Kung ganyan rin lang ang gobyerno ano pa bang magagawa mo? regarding with the PUP incident, first of all bulok na ang mga upuan na sinunog nila, second kung in that way lang nila makukuha ang attention ng isang pabayang gobyerno eh bakit hindi eh no choice ka na. third, we are pre judging and condemning them as a whole eh may pakinabang naman sila, tayo kung makapag asta laban sa aktibista parang tinuturing natin silang cancer ng lipunan pero sabik naman tayo sa mga pakinabang na ating nakakamit kapag dininig ng gobyerno ang kanilang mga hinaing.
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China is not a communist nation anymore, Marxist-Leninist used to call them as revisionist ever since the time of Deng Xiao Ping. Their politburo is a farce. If we try to look closer, they are adapting a semi-capitalist outlook.
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Habang ang mga pinoy eh abala sa pagrarally. Ang mga chinoy naman eh abala sa pagpapayaman..
Tapos sa bandang huli magtatanong, bakit kaya tayo ang mahirap sa sarili nating bayan?
"Mangarap ka at abutin mo. Wag mong sisihin ang sira mong pamilya,
palpak mong syota, pilay mong tuta, o mga lumilipad na ipis. Kung may
pagkukulang sa'yo mga magulang mo, pwde kang manisi at maging rebelde.
Tumigil ka sa pag-aaral, mag-asawa ka, mag-drugs ka, magpakulay ka ng buhok
sa kili-kili. Sa bandang huli, ikaw din ang biktima. Rebeldeng walang
napatunayan at bait sa sarili." Bob Ong
Sometimes we are left with no other options other than to fight for what we think is right. Kung ganyan rin lang ang gobyerno ano pa bang magagawa mo? regarding with the PUP incident, first of all bulok na ang mga upuan na sinunog nila, second kung in that way lang nila makukuha ang attention ng isang pabayang gobyerno eh bakit hindi eh no choice ka na. third, we are pre judging and condemning them as a whole eh may pakinabang naman sila, tayo kung makapag asta laban sa aktibista parang tinuturing natin silang cancer ng lipunan pero sabik naman tayo sa mga pakinabang na ating nakakamit kapag dininig ng gobyerno ang kanilang mga hinaing.
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Habang ang mga pinoy eh abala sa pagrarally. Ang mga chinoy naman eh abala sa pagpapayaman..
Tapos sa bandang huli magtatanong, bakit kaya tayo ang mahirap sa sarili nating bayan?
"Mangarap ka at abutin mo. Wag mong sisihin ang sira mong pamilya,
palpak mong syota, pilay mong tuta, o mga lumilipad na ipis. Kung may
pagkukulang sa'yo mga magulang mo, pwde kang manisi at maging rebelde.
Tumigil ka sa pag-aaral, mag-asawa ka, mag-drugs ka, magpakulay ka ng buhok
sa kili-kili. Sa bandang huli, ikaw din ang biktima. Rebeldeng walang
napatunayan at bait sa sarili." Bob Ong
iba ang konsepto ng rebelde ni bob ong sa pagrerebelde para mabago ang lipunan..you never learn.. 8)
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di na ako makikipagtalo sayo kasi sabi ko nga lahat tayo ay tama pagdating sa opinyon natin..
pero yan ang panuntunan ko sa buhay, imbes na magreklamo, magsisikap na lang ako..
iba ang konsepto ng rebelde ni bob ong sa pagrerebelde para mabago ang lipunan..you never learn.. 8)
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di na ako makikipagtalo sayo kasi sabi ko nga lahat tayo ay tama pagdating sa opinyon natin..
pero yan ang panuntunan ko sa buhay, imbes na magreklamo, magsisikap na lang ako..
Ano ka ba Sir Dimmu, ang seryoso mo naman, debate lang ito..but i do agree with this post of yours here. :D
Hope everything's good between us.. what wrong with a competitive debate kaw naman oh.. ;)
See you around here. :)
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Habang ang mga pinoy eh abala sa pagrarally. Ang mga chinoy naman eh abala sa pagpapayaman..
Tapos sa bandang huli magtatanong, bakit kaya tayo ang mahirap sa sarili nating bayan?
"Mangarap ka at abutin mo. Wag mong sisihin ang sira mong pamilya,
palpak mong syota, pilay mong tuta, o mga lumilipad na ipis. Kung may
pagkukulang sa'yo mga magulang mo, pwde kang manisi at maging rebelde.
Tumigil ka sa pag-aaral, mag-asawa ka, mag-drugs ka, magpakulay ka ng buhok
sa kili-kili. Sa bandang huli, ikaw din ang biktima. Rebeldeng walang
napatunayan at bait sa sarili." Bob Ong
Hayz at nag quote ka ba kay bob ong ha? Tanong ko lang sayo dre ang pagiging aktibista ba ang nirerefer ni bob ong dito? intindihin mo naman ang thought dude.
di na ako makikipagtalo sayo kasi sabi ko nga lahat tayo ay tama pagdating sa opinyon natin..
pero yan ang panuntunan ko sa buhay, imbes na magreklamo, magsisikap na lang ako..
Aw, ito ang gusto ng mga nasa itaas kaya nga lugmok tayo sa kahirapan, kasi alam ng corrupt na gobyerno na di mo sila ququestionin kung saan nila ginagasta ang halagang binibigay mo sa kanila thru taxes. Kung yan lang rin ang panuntunan mo sa buhay masasabi na ring isa ka sa contributor ng corruption sa ating bansa na ang ginagawa mo ay wala na ring pinagkaiba sa mga pilipinong naging instrumento ng "zoning" sa panahon ng hapon. Personally, wala akong paki kung yan ang prinsipyo mo sa buhay kasi buhay mo yan pero wag mong sanang i infer na salot sa lipunan ang aktibismo.
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di naman nya nirerefer pero kung iintindihin mo sya ng medyo malalim, magegets mo ang ibig sabihin..
tamang tama dito yung qoutes ni bob ong..
"Mangarap ka at abutin mo. Wag mong sisihin ang sira mong pamilya,
palpak mong syota, pilay mong tuta, o mga lumilipad na ipis. Kung may
pagkukulang sa'yo mga magulang mo, pwde kang manisi at maging rebelde.
Tumigil ka sa pag-aaral, mag-asawa ka, mag-drugs ka, magpakulay ka ng buhok
sa kili-kili. Sa bandang huli, ikaw din ang biktima. "
"Aw, ito ang gusto ng mga nasa itaas kaya nga lugmok tayo sa kahirapan, kasi alam ng corrupt na gobyerno na di mo sila ququestionin kung saan nila ginagasta ang halagang binibigay mo sa kanila thru taxes. Kung yan lang rin ang panuntunan mo sa buhay masasabi na ring isa ka sa contributor ng corruption sa ating bansa na ang ginagawa mo ay wala na ring pinagkaiba sa mga pilipinong naging instrumento ng "zoning" sa panahon ng hapon. Personally, wala akong paki kung yan ang prinsipyo mo sa buhay kasi buhay mo yan pero wag mong sanang i infer na salot sa lipunan ang aktibismo.
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di naman nya nirerefer pero kung iintindihin mo sya ng medyo malalim, magegets mo ang ibig sabihin..
tamang tama dito yung qoutes ni bob ong..
"Mangarap ka at abutin mo. Wag mong sisihin ang sira mong pamilya,
palpak mong syota, pilay mong tuta, o mga lumilipad na ipis. Kung may
pagkukulang sa'yo mga magulang mo, pwde kang manisi at maging rebelde.
Tumigil ka sa pag-aaral, mag-asawa ka, mag-drugs ka, magpakulay ka ng buhok
sa kili-kili. Sa bandang huli, ikaw din ang biktima. "
"Aw, ito ang gusto ng mga nasa itaas kaya nga lugmok tayo sa kahirapan, kasi alam ng corrupt na gobyerno na di mo sila ququestionin kung saan nila ginagasta ang halagang binibigay mo sa kanila thru taxes. Kung yan lang rin ang panuntunan mo sa buhay masasabi na ring isa ka sa contributor ng corruption sa ating bansa na ang ginagawa mo ay wala na ring pinagkaiba sa mga pilipinong naging instrumento ng "zoning" sa panahon ng hapon. Personally, wala akong paki kung yan ang prinsipyo mo sa buhay kasi buhay mo yan pero wag mong sanang i infer na salot sa lipunan ang aktibismo.
the only similarity between activism and this quote is the act of going against authority figures. kahit po gaano natin kalalim tingnan -- liban na lang kung ipipilit at ibabalentong natin ang lohika at reasoning -- hindi po makakasama sa isang tao o grupo ang pagra-rally o pagpo protesta.
rallies and protests do not equate acts or rebellion. iba rin po ang personal na pagrerebelde at social or political rebellion. pwede rin pong magrebelde na ibang tao ang sasaktan mo at hindi ang sarili mo.
hindi po tugma ang quote.
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the only similarity between activism and this quote is the act of going against authority figures. kahit po gaano natin kalalim tingnan -- liban na lang kung ipipilit at ibabalentong natin ang lohika at reasoning -- hindi po makakasama sa isang tao o grupo ang pagra-rally o pagpo protesta.
rallies and protests do not equate acts or rebellion. iba rin po ang personal na pagrerebelde at social or political rebellion. pwede rin pong magrebelde na ibang tao ang sasaktan mo at hindi ang sarili mo.
hindi po tugma ang quote.
Exactly, that's the point. :)
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Hindi naman po talaga siya nakakasama. At di naman talaga ako totally against sa activism. Kaya lang peaceful activism lang ang gusto ko, ayaw ko ng may sunugan, batuhan o bugbugan.
Kaya ko naman sinabi yung qoutes..
Mangarap ka, abutin mo. Wag mong sisihin ang mga problema na kinaharap mo sa buhay para di mo maabot ang pangarap mo. Kahit maraming balakid, wag kang patatalo para maabot mo ang gusto mo..
Marami kasi sa atin, sasabihin, di ako nag aral kasi kung anu anong dahilan..
Magrarally, sisisihin ang gobyerno pero ang tanong anong ginawa mo sa buhay mo..
In the end, titingnan ka ng tao sa kung anong narating mo sa buhay mo..
Kaya imbes na magreklamo, magsikap dahil sa bandang huli tayo rin naman ang aani kung magtagumpay tayo..
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pasintabi n lng po pero grabeh n talaga sa atin politika angkan ang bilangan///
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pasintabi n lng po pero grabeh n talaga sa atin politika angkan ang bilangan///
tama po ya sir alphaomega, ang tanong lang kung meron pa bang lugar sa Pilipinas mula Batanes hanggang Tawi-tawi na walang magkamag-anak na tumatakbo..
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tama po ya sir alphaomega, ang tanong lang kung meron pa bang lugar sa Pilipinas mula Batanes hanggang Tawi-tawi na walang magkamag-anak na tumatakbo..
meron pa. sa kalayaan island >:(
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meron pa. sa kalayaan island >:(
Right..Municipality of Kalayaan, Palawan. hahaha.. kaso mangilan ilan na lang po ito..
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Hindi naman po talaga siya nakakasama. At di naman talaga ako totally against sa activism. Kaya lang peaceful activism lang ang gusto ko, ayaw ko ng may sunugan, batuhan o bugbugan.
Kaya ko naman sinabi yung qoutes..
Mangarap ka, abutin mo. Wag mong sisihin ang mga problema na kinaharap mo sa buhay para di mo maabot ang pangarap mo. Kahit maraming balakid, wag kang patatalo para maabot mo ang gusto mo..
Marami kasi sa atin, sasabihin, di ako nag aral kasi kung anu anong dahilan..
Magrarally, sisisihin ang gobyerno pero ang tanong anong ginawa mo sa buhay mo..
In the end, titingnan ka ng tao sa kung anong narating mo sa buhay mo..
Kaya imbes na magreklamo, magsikap dahil sa bandang huli tayo rin naman ang aani kung magtagumpay tayo..
Peaceful activism? sabihin mo yan sa mga pulis na hindi sumusunod sa rules of engagement. Ang dahilan lang naman kung bakit may batuhan eh dahil sa oppresyon na ginagawa ng mga pulis during rallies at ng pamahalaan, kagaya lang yan ng isang batang ayaw pakinggan ng kanyang mga magulang ano ba ang magagawa niya para mapansin siya at mapakinggan eh di umiyak at mag-ingay.
At bakit nasali ang pag-aaral dito? bakit hindi ba nag-aaral ang mga aktibista? Ang tanong ay hindi kung ano ang ginawa mo o nagawa mo sa buhay mo kung hindi ano ba ang nagawa mo sa buhay mo at sa bayan, Ikaw, anong nagawa mo?
Magsikap? bakit sa tingin mo ba ikaw lang ang nagsisikap? nagsisikap ang lahat ng tao lalo na ang mga aktibista kaya nga nagrarally sila kasi hindi nila nakikita ang fruits of their labor thru their taxes na binibigay. 45 percent ng mga aktibista ay nasa labor sector mga mangagawa na nagsisikap para buhayin ang pamilya nila 35 percent ay mga estudyante na nagsisikap rin na makatapos ng pag-aaral kaya pinaglalaban nila ang no tuition fee increase at ang di makatarungang school policy ng mga unibersidad. 20 percent ay mga professional na nagsisikap rin sa kanilang mga propesyon. Walang aktibistang pabigat sa bansa.