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Title: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: kuneho on July 04, 2018, 07:07:40 PM
Nakahanda na ang panukalang FEDERAL FORM of government sa pamamagitan ng  22 man panel na pinangungunahan ni former SC Justice Renato Puno, anu  ang inkyung opinion sa naturang panukala? Nakakabuti ba sa ating bansa o nakakasama? Anu naman  kaya ang magiging epekto nito sa ordinaryong mga mamayan ng Pilipinas?
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: erwinsta.cruz on July 05, 2018, 07:42:36 AM
Sana wag nang galawin yung constitution. Mahirap na at baka mag ala marcos ang mga nasa pwesto ngayon.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: naruto789544 on July 06, 2018, 01:26:13 AM
is the federal form of government being lobbied that same as the parliamentary system that is being practiced in other countries?
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: ichidmonkey on July 06, 2018, 04:14:18 AM
Maganda ang federalismo. Para kanya kanyang probinsya may magkaroon ng mas magandang opportunidad umasenso.

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Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: erwinsta.cruz on July 06, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
Paano kaya yung mga probinsya na mahirap? Pag ba naging federal government yung kita ng mga probinsya or state is dun lang sa sariling probinsya gagagamitin? Paano yung mga probinsya na kaunti lang ang kita? So magiging ganun pa din ba na lahat ng pera na kinita sa NCR eh duun lang lahat mabubuhos o gagamitin?
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: j_dela_cruz on August 10, 2018, 12:17:26 PM
ang magandang halmibawa ng fed govt e US, yung nakukuha nilang pondo e sa states lang at may percentage lang ang national govt. maganda in theory yan. pero alam naman natin kung gaano kabigat ang dynasty sa atin. di lalo lang naghari harian ang mga nakaupo. dapat ginagawa nila e prioritization kung saang province o lugar gagastusin ang pondo. ng hindi lang maynila ang ginagastusan.


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Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: j_dela_cruz on August 10, 2018, 12:21:55 PM
is the federal form of government being lobbied that same as the parliamentary system that is being practiced in other countries?

its different. parliamentary ay yung mga elected officials ang namimili ng minister. pero di mo pwedeng icompare, kase magkaiba sila ng pinatutungkulan


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Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: naruto789544 on August 10, 2018, 11:45:13 PM
its different. parliamentary ay yung mga elected officials ang namimili ng minister. pero di mo pwedeng icompare, kase magkaiba sila ng pinatutungkulan


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i see... so if ever this pushes through, i hope that the budget will go to where it is really needed...
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: renaire33 on August 12, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
Sang ayon ako sa pederalismo, pero dapat unahin nila ang tamang information dissemination para sa kapakanan ng lahat
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: naruto789544 on August 13, 2018, 01:33:29 AM
after which a referendum should be made to make sure that the people agrees to this transition to a new form of government...
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: erwinsta.cruz on August 13, 2018, 08:08:02 AM
Sana gumawa din sila ng provision against political dynasties kung bubuo sila ng federal form of government. Yun nga lang ang nakaupo sa malacanang eh may political dynasty din.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: j_dela_cruz on August 28, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
ang alam ko may law na against dyan. wala lang rules kung pano iimplement dahil sino ba gagawa ng rules, syempre mga congressman na part ng family dynasty.


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Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: Dimmu Borgir on August 29, 2018, 11:01:48 AM
pederalismo?

isang legal na paraan para ang mga probinsya ay pagharian ng iisang pamilya katulad ng ginawa ni ampatuan sa maguindano....

isa lang ang sigurado sa pederalismo, mas yayaman ang mga pamilyang pulitiko kahit walang mga negosyo at lalong maghihirap ang mga ordinaryong pilipino..

wag paloko sa gobyernong ito na ang ginagawa ay ginagago lang ang mga tao..

sa panahon ni duterte biglang tumaas ang presyo ng mga bilihin..   

isang agrikulturang bansa pero nag iimport ng bigas....

isang arkipelagong bansa pero nag iimport ng isda...

at ang mas masaklap pa, isdang hinuli sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas, iniexport sa Pilipinas...

 
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: bored_husband on August 29, 2018, 12:18:18 PM
Ano mang uri ng gobyerno magkaroon ang pilipinas kung walang sususnod sa batas wala ding mangyayari.
Disiplina ang kailangan nating lahat.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: erwinsta.cruz on August 29, 2018, 02:15:06 PM
kung may political system siguro tayo tulad ng U.S. or U.K. pwede pero dito sa atin walang kwenta mga partido. patronage politics ang umiiral
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: joppax on August 30, 2018, 10:48:16 AM
Federalism is nothing but a  big trap! Ang totoo sa dami ng pamilyang gahaman sa pwesto at kapangyarihan, di na sasapat ang nakatalagang "pwesto" sa kanila; isipin mo na lang kahit yung galing nga sa maimpluwensyang pamilya, nagtatag, tumakbo at nanalo pa talaga sa party-list, na dapat para lang sa marginalized sector of the society. Federalism will create more "seats" (senator, federal/local offices, etc.) for these power-hungry people to put their asses onto. It will create local tyrants that are more powerful and more untouchable since the central government will have less power to restrain them.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: karaso on August 30, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
Federalism is nothing but a  big trap! Ang totoo sa dami ng pamilyang gahaman sa pwesto at kapangyarihan, di na sasapat ang nakatalagang "pwesto" sa kanila; isipin mo na lang kahit yung galing nga sa maimpluwensyang pamilya, nagtatag, tumakbo at nanalo pa talaga sa party-list, na dapat para lang sa marginalized sector of the society. Federalism will create more "seats" (senator, federal/local offices, etc.) for these power-hungry people to put their asses onto. It will create local tyrants that are more powerful and more untouchable since the central government will have less power to restrain them.

cite specific example pls. with proven evidence. you know what you're too one sided. I know we're entitled to our own opinions but before jumping to the conclusions you have to consider both sides.

long story short your logic is like this - Mr. Joppax is convicted of murder THAT HE WILL DO 5 years from NOW and so he must be in prison.
I mean look at the chronology of time - you're merely saying that FEDERALISM is bad in Philippines even if it's not implemented yet - where's your evidence then?
Just don't blame federalism or any form of government - blame it on people who are not doing their role as a Filipino citizen. Truth is we shld. not rely on government alone and we shld. do our part.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: Dimmu Borgir on August 30, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
you dont have to try everything para malaman mo ang resulta..

in a democratic country, will central government have power to control everything, still may mga ruling family pa rin like Ampatuan of maguindano na naghahari, ano pa kaya kung pederalismo na?

di mo kailangan ng ebidensya, buksan mo lamang ang mga mata mo at makikita mo ang katotohanan...

hindi masama maging demokratiko, ang masama lang ay yung mga nagpapatakbo...

yung mga taong naghahari harian  sa gobyerno ang dapat alisin sa pwesto hindi ang pagiging demokratiko....

 

cite specific example pls. with proven evidence. you know what you're too one sided. I know we're entitled to our own opinions but before jumping to the conclusions you have to consider both sides.

long story short your logic is like this - Mr. Joppax is convicted of murder THAT HE WILL DO 5 years from NOW and so he must be in prison.
I mean look at the chronology of time - you're merely saying that FEDERALISM is bad in Philippines even if it's not implemented yet - where's your evidence then?
Just don't blame federalism or any form of government - blame it on people who are not doing their role as a Filipino citizen. Truth is we shld. not rely on government alone and we shld. do our part.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: joppax on August 31, 2018, 01:04:33 PM
Lol. I'm too one-sided? Are you somebody born just yesterday? From the Singsons of The North, the Fuentebellas, the Dutertes, the Ampatuan.. the list of political dynasties goes on. I'm just gonna give you a very specific example, since you ask for it Karaso. A few years back powerful families in Camsur want the province to split. Obviously, the seats are not enough to accomodate them. Even the Fuentebellas fought amongst each other on recent elections; And the son of former President Arroyo became a party-list congressman, representing "security guards," how funny is that? the son of former speaker of the house Nograles is presently a party-list congressman. That's because Davao only has 3 congressional seats. Even though party-list is only for marginalized sectors of the society, pero ayun at di pinalagpas ng mga gahaman sa kapangyarihan. If the promoters of Federalism really want to improve economy by getting more funds to the provinces/cities, why not simply amend the economic provisions of the constitution? Like put into writing some changes in the percentage of IRA that gets into the coffers of the local governments? but they won't because it would not open new seats for them to put their asses onto.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: erwinsta.cruz on August 31, 2018, 04:53:35 PM
I think right now having a federal form of government would just make a bad situation become worse. Joppax is right. Entreched politicians and political families will have more power in the proposed federal form of government. If this administration truly wants to change the status quo it should pass the anti dynasty bill. And the president should set the example.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: joppax on August 31, 2018, 07:11:28 PM
Federalism has its merits, but it's not the time to implement it. There are a lot of areas/regions that remain poor. Once federalism is implemented these regions would not be able to keep up. Empower and improve these low-income regions first; Plus local governments are dominated by few rich political families, which is a really big problem. Nepotism in all of its form, is a cancer that should be addressed first before we entertain the idea of federalism.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: naruto789544 on September 01, 2018, 01:50:38 AM
then for me it's not a change of form of government that is needed but the revision of the constitution particularly in those areas mentioned above...
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: erwinsta.cruz on September 01, 2018, 05:44:22 PM
Papalakpakan ko itong administration na to pag naipasa ang anti dynasty bill. Hindi drugs at hindi rin ang current constitution ang pinaka malaking problema dito sa pinas. Yung mga kapit tuko sa kapangyarihan at pamilya nila ang problema.
Title: Re: Opinion sa panukalang Federal form of government
Post by: ¿m☺ÿ on December 30, 2018, 11:51:40 PM
Wala naman talagang perpektong gobyerno pero kung talagang nais ng pagbabago at malimitahan ang kapangyarihan ng pangulo tungo sa pagbabago federal government is a good start. At least hindi n magrereklamo ang mga taga probinsya tungkol sa budget kasi ang development budget ay hindi naka-concentrate sa malakanyang. Wala ng pangulo ang basta basta makakapangurakot
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